DYSOM 10/3/2019: Providence College Professor Joe Cammarano

DYSOM 10/3/2019: Providence College Professor Joe Cammarano


DAN: IT JUST GETS NUTTIER AND ♪ NUTTIER AND THE DAN YORKE “STATE OF MIND” PROGRAM IS BROUGHT TO YOU IN PART BY LOOKOUT RHODE ISLAND AND DAN: YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS FASCINATING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW? IF HE IS ACTING OUT HIS SUGGESTION EARLY ON THAT HE COULD SHOOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE AND THERE WOULDN’T BOTHER IT — HIS FOLLOWERS, BECAUSE WHAT HE IS DOING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT HE DID TODAY IS — YEAH! BREAKING THE LAW. I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK THE LAW SOME MORE, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? IT IS ACTUALLY STUNNING. IT IS STUNNING. WELCOME IN ON THIS THURSDAY EVENING. BY THE TIME YOU SEE THIS SHOW, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ELSE HE MIGHT HAVE TWEETED. WE RECORD THE THURSDAY PROGRAM IN THE EARLY AFTERNOON, AND I AM AT A LOSS. I ALWAYS KIND OF, I’VE A COUPLE OF KEY ALLIES HERE TO BREAK ALL OF THIS DOWN. TIM EDGAR WAS BACK LAST WEEK, DID A REAL GOOD JOB ON THE IMPEACHMENT STUFF, AND MY GO TO GUY ON POLITICS, NOT NECESSARILY ELECTION PREDICTIONS, BUT GO TO GUY ON POLICY IS JOE FROM PROVIDENCE COLLEGE, AND THE HEADLINE FROM YESTERDAY WHAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE ENOUGH — YEAH. THE POOR FINNISH PRESIDENT STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SITUATION. HERE IS THE REPORT FROM THE NETWORK ON WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. PRES. TRUMP: BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WATCH MY WORDS VERY CAREFULLY. THERE ARE THOSE THAT THINK I AM A VERY STABLE GENIUS, K? PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED HE WILL WORK WITH DEMOCRATS AND IN THEIR INVESTIGATION WITH THE DEALINGS OF THE LEADER OF UKRAINE. PRES. TRUMP: I ALWAYS COOPERATE. THIS IS A HOAX. BUT HIS ADMINISTRATION HAS REPEATEDLY STONEWALLED REQUESTS. PRES. TRUMP: THIS IS A FRAUDULENT CRIME ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT WE WILL WORK TOGETHER. IN A COMBATIVE PRESS CONFERENCE, HE ESCALATED HIS ATTACKS ON REPORTERS. MUCH OF THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT JUST FAKE BUT CORRUPT. BUT SEIZED ON “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORT THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER MET WITH ADAM SCHIFF DAYS BEFORE THE REPORT WAS FILED. PRES. TRUMP: HE PROBABLY HELPED WRITE IT. THAT WHISTLEBLOWER DISPUTING THAT, WRITING, “THE WHISTLEBLOWER DRAFTED THE COMPLAINT ENTIRELY ON THEIR OWN.” THE PRESIDENT CONTINUED TO QUESTION THE ACCURACY OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S REPORT. PRES. TRUMP: I HAVE RESPECT FOR WHISTLEBLOWERS BUT ONLY WHEN THEY ARE REAL. THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WAS RELEASED YESTERDAY BY THE PRESIDENT. AS A BASTAD OLD — BEFUDDLED FINNISH PRESIDENT LOOKED ON, PRESIDENT TRUMP SHUT DOWN QUESTIONS. WHAT DO YOU WANT THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT TO DO ABOUT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN? PRES. TRUMP: BIDEN AND HIS SON ARE STONE COLD CROOKED. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO DO? PRES. TRUMP: ARE YOU TALKING TO ME? WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF FINLAND, ASK HIM A QUESTION. DAN: YOU TALKING TO ME. JOE: YEAH, I AM TALKING TO YOU. DAN: WELCOME, PROFESSOR. JOE: KIND OF GOOD TO BE HERE, I WISH YOU HAD LAST INTEREST — LESS INTEREST IN MY VIEWPOINTS THESE DAYS. DAN: LET’S START WITH THAT YESTERDAY. THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT TODAY. HE IS ACTING NOW IN A KIND OF STUNNING FASHION. JOE: YEAH. IT IS KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE AS I WAS READING THE ACCOUNTS, OR SEEING FIVE OR 10 SECOND CLIPS OF THAT PRESS CONFERENCE OR PHOTO OP WITH THE FINNISH PRESIDENT, I BEGAN THINKING IT REALLY MIGHT BE 25TH AMENDMENT TIME. IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR SOMEONE TO GO TO MIKE PENCE AND THINK ABOUT CONVENING THE CABINETS, BUT THEN I WATCHED THE ENTIRE 40 MINUTES OR SO. HALFWAY IN, I THOUGHT, NO, HE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY DIFFERENT THAN THIS. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SEEN HIM AND I HAVE SEEN HIM, THIS IS TRUMP. HE WAS THIS WAY WHEN HE GOT ELECTED, SO IT IS REALLY NOT A 25TH AMENDMENT THING. DAN: WAS THE AMPLIFIED, HOWEVER? JOE: HE IS AMPLIFIED, HE HAS A NATIONAL STAGE AND THIS IS NOT JUST A PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING SCHTICK THAT HE USED TO DO OR “CELEBRITY APPRENTICE” — THIS IS AN UNVARNISHED TRUMP, AND THIS IS WHAT LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WANTED AND GOT, SO THIS IS HIM. HE NEVER TOLD THE TRUTH. HE ALWAYS USES THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE MEANS. WHEN HE IS SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING — THERE ARE ALL SORTS, THERE ARE NO TRUTHS TO WHAT HE SAID. LET HIM GO ON AND DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND LET THE FORCES MOVE FORWARD. DAN: YEAH, I DO NOT SEE THE POINT FOR THE AMENDMENT APPLICATION EITHER. JOE: ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE WHITE HOUSE SAID THE THINGS HE SAID, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A 20 FIT AMENDMENT DISCUSSION. BUT BECAUSE IT IS DONALD TRUMP. DAN: HE GETS AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS. WHY DO YOU MIX NIXONIAN AND THE 25TH AMENDMENT? JOE: THERE WAS DISCUSSION AMONG NIXON ADVISORS ABOUT WHETHER PRESIDENT NIXON WAS LOSING HIS MARBLES AND WHETHER THEY HAD TO BEGIN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE 25TH AMENDMENT. DAN: I KNOW I DO NOT HAVE TO TELL THIS AUDIENCE BECAUSE YOU ARE SO SMART, BUT THE 20 FIT AMENDMENT IS — THE 25TH AMENDMENT IS REGARDING THE PRESIDENT’S CAPACITY, AND REMOVING THE PRESIDENT. BY THE WAY, I DO NOT THINK MIKE PENCE SHOULD MAKE ANY MOVE ON THE PRESIDENT. MIKE PENCE IS IN THE SHADOWS OF THIS INVESTIGATION. THE PRESIDENT DROPPED THE LINE LAST WEEK, AND I KNEW IT THEN — OH, MIKE PENCE I — I DO NOT KNOW HOW DEEP MIKE PENCE IS IN TERMS OF THE BIDEN PLAY BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS UKRAINIAN CORRUPTION FIX HER ARMS THING. JOE: THAT IS WHAT PENCE IS CLAIMING. DAN: HE IS NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING. HE IS — RIGHT? SO THE ESSENCE OF THE OF THIS CASE IS REALLY INTERESTING. WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID YESTERDAY AND WHAT HE DID TODAY IS, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND, IT IS QUITE FASCINATING. THE PERFECT PHONE CALL IS HIS MANTRA. HIS ASSERTION IS THAT THE PHONE CALL WAS PERFECT. WHAT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT IS DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VIOLATION IS OR DOES HE NOT CARE THAT IT IS A VIOLATION? JOE: I THINK HE DOES NOT CARE. I READ A PIECE AND “THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY” ABOUT TRUMP BEING THE KIND OF OLD-STYLE MAFIA, NOT THE TONY SOPRANO FICTIONAL STYLE MAFIA. TONY SOPRANO USED TO WHACK GUYS, BUT THEN HE WOULD HAVE BAD DREAMS. THE OLD MOBSTERS JUST KILLED AND THEY SLEPT WELL. THIS IS A GUY THAT HAS NO INTENTION OF BEING HONEST OR FORTHRIGHT, AND MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HONEST OR FORTHRIGHT, BUT JUST KNOWS WHAT IS IN HIS BEST INTEREST. HE DOES NOT CARE. I AM SURE IF HE EVER SLEEPS, HE SLEEPS FINE. THAT IS THE PERSON WE ELECTED. DAN: ADAM SCHIFF, THE NEW YORK TIMES HEADLINE IS THE SAME ONE WE SAW IN THE PACKAGE. ADAM SCHIFF IS REALLY A FULL-COURT PRESS RIGHT NOW. THE PRESIDENT ASSERTED THAT ADAM SCHIFF OUGHT TO BE TRIED FOR TREASON AND THAT HE MAY HAVE WRITTEN THE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT. THE INSANITY OF THAT IS INCREDIBLE. SCHIFF WOULD BE COMMITTING CRIMINAL AND POLITICAL SUICIDE TO HAVE HAD A HAND IN WRITING A WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT. THIS ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY, EVEN IN THE BASE, UNDERSTAND HOW RIDICULOUS THE ASSERTION IS? JOE: IF YOU ARE THINKING, YEAH, THEY UNDERSTAND HOW RIDICULOUS THE SITUATION IS, ADAM SCHIFF IS AN EXTREMELY SHREWD, SMART ATTORNEY AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO BUY. DAN: THE WHOLE STORY IS PRETTY SIMPLE. THE WHISTLEBLOWER WAS MAKING TRACTION ON THE TRACK HE WAS LOOKING FOR, AND HE WENT TO THE INTEL COMMITTEE AND SAID, I HAVE STUFF, AND THEY SAID, OK, GET A LAWYER, PUT IT TOGETHER, AND GET IT BACK UP THERE. SCHIFF WAS AWARE, BUT REPORTEDLY, DID NOT KNOW WHO THE WHISTLEBLOWER WAS, BUT THEN WHEN IT WOULD NOT COME TO HIM, THAT IS WHEN HE SUBPOENAED THE REPORT . IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND. JOE: VERY SIMPLE. SCHIFF MADE SURE IT WAS THROUGH STAFF OR ANY COMMUNICATION PRIOR TO ANY OFFICIAL FILING. THAT — THAT IS WHAT A CAREFUL ATTORNEY DOES AND THAT IS WHAT HE DID. THERE IS NO STORY THERE. AGAIN, IT DOES NOT MATTER. TRUMP IS TRYING TO MUDDY THE WATERS JUST LIKE A SIBLING BLAMES THE OTHER SIBLING FOR SOMETHING THEY DID. OR DIVERTS ATTENTION FROM THE PARENTS BY POINTING OUT SOMETHING THEIR BROTHER OR SISTER HAS DONE. WE HAVE SOMEONE TO BEHAVE LIKE AN 11-YEAR-OLD. THAT IS WHY THE 25TH AMENDMENT IS NOT RELEVANT. DAN: YOU BROUGHT IT UP. THERE IS NO WAY IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. JOE: I AM NOT GOING TO GO ON — DAN: WHEN WE COME BACK, WHAT HE ♪ PRES. TRUMP: THEY SHOULD INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS BECAUSE HOW DOES A COMPANY, AND BY THE WAY, LIKEWISE, CHINA JUST STARTED INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE BIDENS, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED TO CHINA IS JUST ABOUT AS BAD AS WHAT HAPPENED WITH UKRAINE. DAN: SO NOW IN THE MIDST OF A WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT AND A CONGRESSIONAL FOCUS ON THE CLEAR ILLEGALITY OF SOL C13 FOREIGN ENTITY’S HELP IN INVESTIGATING A POLITICAL OPPONENT, HE DOUBLES DOWN ON UKRAINE TODAY AND ADDS CHINA INTO THE MIX. AS IF TO SAY, I KNOW I ROBBED THE BANK, I’M GOING TO ROB ANOTHER ONE, AND WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT. JOE: YEAH, HANDLING ALL OF THAT MONEY, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. THE MONEY CAME FROM THE TELLER. HE IS DOING. JOE: NO. HE ACTS ON INSTINCT. INSTINCT WORKS A LOT OF THE TIME, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE TYPE OF REPUTATION, BACKING, FINANCIAL SUPPORT, AND FINANCIAL SUCCESS, BUT HE IS NOT IN THE SAME LEAK AND THE NEVER GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. — LEAGUE AND THE N NEVER GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. ND WHAT HE IS DOING WITH BIDEN, IT IS UN-AMERICAN. THAT BEHAVIOR TO SAY THAT SOMEONE IS CORRUPT BECAUSE HE IS ON THE OTHERS. DAN: JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO GO DOWN THE TOILET WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION. JOE: I WAS NOT SURE JOE BIDEN WAS GOING TO SURVIVE ANYWAY, NO PREDICTIONS. DAN: I AM THE SAME WITH YOU ON THAT. BUT JOE BIDEN, WHETHER IT IS A YEAR IN FRONT OR A YEAR BEHIND, HUNTER BIDEN BEING ON THE BOARD OF A GAS COMPANY FOR WHICH HE HAS NO REAL EXPERIENCE. JOE: HE HAS FINANCIAL EXPERIENCE. DAN: YEAH, BUT WHAT IS HE DOING HANGING AROUND IN UKRAINE. HE IS TRADING ON HIS NAME. JOE: OF COURSE. DAN: THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. JOE: YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT IS HOW IT IS GOING TO AFFECT JOE BIDEN BECAUSE IT UNDERGIRDS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IN THE SYSTEM AND IT IS WHO YOU KNOW, NOT WHAT YOU KNOW. DAN: HE WILL BE HURT MORE BY THIS THEN TRUMP ON A PRORATED LEVEL BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXPECTATION OF JOE BIDEN TO BE TAWDRY, SO FOR SOMETHING TO LOOK SEMI-TAWDRY IN THE FAMILY , THE BAR IS SET HIGHER FOR HIM AND SO LOSE.- HE HAS MORE PLACE T- JOE: — DAN: I THINK HE IS GOING DOWN THE TOILET WITH DONALD TRUMP ON THIS ONE. JOE: I’M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. [CROSSTALK] JOE: THE REAL PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT JOE BIDEN’ BEHAVIOR ACTUALLY HURT THE COMPANY THAT HUNTER BIDEN WAS ON THE BOARD WAS. IT DID NOT HELP. DAN: ISN’T THAT THE LONE GUARANTY? JOE: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIM GETTING THE PROSECUTOR REMOVED. THAT PROSECUTOR WAS BLOCKING THE PROSECUTION OF THIS COMPANY, NOT TRYING — DAN: WHICH IS WHY IF YOU TAKE THE FOX NEWS LINE AND YOU FOLLOW THE THING DOWN, THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT JOE BIDEN WAS HELPING HIS SON’S AND BY THE TIMELINE BY THE WAY. JOE: THE SAME PROBLEM THEY ARE DOING WITH SCHIFF. THEY ARE USING PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW RULES, CREATE PARTITIONS, MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND THEY ARE USING THAT WHOLE CONDUCT AS A WEAPON AGAINST THEM SO THAT PEOPLE WHO DO THE RIGHT THING GET PUNISHED FOR IT. AND THAT IS WRONG. THAT IS WHY I CALL IT UN-AMERICAN. LAY BY THE RULES. DAN: I GET IT. IN THE SENSE THAT THERE IS NO ILLEGALITY THAT THEY WILL FIND ON BIDENS, THE STENCH OF GOING ON YOUR NAME IS GOING TO STICK. JOE: I AGREE. THEY WILL HIGHLIGHT HOW JOE BIDEN IS TOO MUCH OF AN INSIDER AND HIS FAMILY HAS BENEFITED FROM HIS STATUS THE WAY EVERY FAMILY SEEMS TO BENEFIT. I HAVE BEEN SICK OF IT. I HAVE BEEN WORRIED ABOUT IT. HE IS GOING TO BE A VICTIM OF IT. IN THE LONG RUN, IT IS PROBABLY GOOD TO GET RID OF THAT PROBLEM. DAN: WHEN WE COME B POLITICS OF THIS AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. ♪ DAN: ALRIGHT. YESTERDAY, THE STATE DEPARTMENT IG RUNS UP THE HILL TO GET A MANILA FOLDER OF NEWSPAPER ARTICLES AND INSINUATIONS ABOUT STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, AND STUFF THAT WOULD HAVE BUILT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION-FOX NEWS SAGA, AND GIULIAN GAVE IT TO POMPEO AND POMPEO SAYS, WE DO NOT WANT THIS. WE CANNOT HAVE THIS. PROBABLY IRRELEVANT TO THE BIG PICTURE, BUT ANOTHER SEMI-CH CHAPTERA, — JOE: WHEN THESE THINGS BECOME NORMAL, THE DESTRUCTION HAPPENS, SO IT IS A PART OF THIS LARGER, DANGEROUS TREND WHERE IT FIT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT IT, I AM GOING TO DO IT. DAN: MEANING WHAT? JOE: MEANING, MAKE CLAIMS OR MAKE DECISIONS, OR TALK TO THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAW SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITING IT, NECESSARILY. ALTHOUGH, THERE MIGHT BE. DAN: I TALKING ABOUT THE PACKAGE DEAL? JOE: I AM TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL ORDERING THE IG TO DELIVER THAT THE CONGRESS BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT AND RUDY HAS THIS PACKET OF STUFF, YOU MAKE SURE THIS GOES TO THEM, TOO. KIND OF LIKE THE MORAL EQUIVALENCE THING. WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT ABOUT — THIS IS ABOUT BREAKING ALL OF THE RULES. DAN: I ALSO THINK PEOPLE IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT ARE LIKE A, WE DO NOT WANT THIS ON OUR DESK. JOE: YEP. DAN: THE POLITICS OF THIS, AND LAST TIME WE CHATTED WHICH IS NOT LONG AGO, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CONGRESS3 MOVE FORWARD ON IMPEACHMENT, THEY HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. NANCY PELOSI’S CHRONOLOGY IN TERMS OF DECLARING THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY THE DAY BEFORE THE TRANSCRIPT CAME OUT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DAY TOO SOON IN TERMS OF PALATABILITY FOR THE BASIS CONSCIOUSNESS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AM NOT SURE. JOE: SHE HAS LEEWAY ON THE JOINT RESOLUTIONS. THE FORMAL PROCESS BEGINS WHEN THE JOINT RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE A JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO ACT IS PASSED. SHE IS STILL FEELING THAT STUFF OUT, SO YEAH, SHE IS PROBABLY GOING TO DO THINGS THAT DO NOT SOUND LIKE THEY ARE A PART OF THE PROCESS. THAT IS HER JOB. SHE IS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. DAN: WE ARE GOING TO GET AN IMPEACHMENT. JOE: YEP., I HAVE BEEN SAYING NO, NO, AND ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, I SAID YEP. DAN: AND THEN WE WILL GET A TRIAL IN THE SENATE. JOE: THEY MADE IT CLEAR TO MITCH MCCONNELL, THERE MUST BE A TRIAL. DAN: I AM NOT READY TO PREDICT IT IS SUCH A SLAMDUNK NO IN THE SENATE. I DON’T KNOW. JOE: RIGHT NOW, THE PACE OF ENDORSEMENT OF IMPEACHMENT AMONG THE PUBLIC IS FASTER. IT IS MUCH FASTER THAN IT WAS UNDER NIXON. THIS STUFF CHANGES REALLY FAST, AND HE COULD GO THE OTHER WAY. IT COULD CHANGE BACK AND, LET’S MOVE ON. JUST SIT BACK, PAY ATTENTION, TAKE THE BREATHS, AND THERE IS NO WAY TO PREDICT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN IMPEACHMENT. DAN: AND IT IS GOING TO SUCKED THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ENTIRE POLITICAL AGENDA ON BOTH SIDES. JOE: YEAH. IN SOME WAYS, THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE BAD THING. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED LAWS AND CONGRESS IS NOT WANT TO CHANGE THOSE LAWS. DAN: GOD FORBID WE HAVE SOME KIND OF INTERNATIONAL — JOE: UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THE PRESIDENT MIGHT DO THAT. HE MIGHT CREATE A FICTION. DAN: IN THE MEANTIME, THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO FIND THEIR TRACTION, HILLARY IS OUT PROMOTING HER NEW BOOK WITH HER DAUGHTER. JOE: I SAW THAT. DAN: YOU DON’T THINK — JOE: WHAT, THE DAUGHTER? DAN: NO. HILLARY. JOE: NO. DAN: SHE IS TALKING A LOT OF SMACK. JOE: I KNOW, BUT NO, SHE IS DONE. NO PREDICTIONS. DAN: ELIZABETH WARREN SEEMS TO BE IN A PRETTY STRATEGIC POSITION RIGHT NOW. JOE: PARTICULARLY WITH BERNIE SANDERS. SHE HAS BEEN VERY KIND ABOUT THAT, BUT YEAH, SHE IS IN A POSITION TO PICK UP HIS SUPPORT OF PEOPLE OR IF HE DROPS OUT. DAN: WHAT ARE YOU TELLING YOUR STUDENTS ABOUT THIS? JOE: I SAY TO THEM, SIT BACK. YOU ARE IN A UNIQUE TIME, HAS NOT BEEN AROUND IN OVER 40 YEARS . JUST KEEP WATCHING, KEEPING ATTENTION, DO NOT DRAW CONCLUSIONS YET, BECAUSE IT IS UNFOLDING BEFORE YOUR EYES. I AM GOING IN RIGHT AFTER THIS AND I’M GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. WE TALK. WE TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS. DAN: [INDISCERNIBLE] WHAT DO THEY THINK? JOE: THEY ARE ASTOUNDED. THEY ARE NOT SURE — EVEN THE ONES WHO ARE PROBABLY REPUBLICANS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. THEY THINK THIS IS COOL. WE HAVE MORE MAJORS THAN EVER. THREE NEW MAJORS. THEY THINK IT IS COOL. NEGATIVE ATTENTION IS ATTENTION. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS, IT IS LIKE, THIS STUFF MATTERS. THAT IS WHAT IS COOL. DAN: OK. THANK YOU. DAN: VERY FLUID SITUATION WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN WASHINGTON. IT. A LITTLE BREAK TOMORROW NIGHT, MARY ANN SORRENTINO IS WRITING A COLUMN FOR “THE BOSTON GLOBE” ONLINE. SHE WILL SHARE SOME OF HER THOUGHTS AND SOME WRITINGS ON A CASUAL FRIDAY EVENING PROGRAM TOMORROW. THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN. GOOD NIGHT. ♪

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