Rewind-A-Raw 10/7/19: Tyson Fury, Rusev-Lana, HIAC Fallout

Rewind-A-Raw 10/7/19: Tyson Fury, Rusev-Lana, HIAC Fallout


hello everybody and welcome to rewind to raw it’s John Pollock here alongside wei-ting how are you tonight way I’m doing okay how are you I’m doing okay as well well let’s let’s be okay together and talk about this edition of raw that’s what we’re going to get into interesting episode of raw that we’re going to break down was it sauce was it really I think by just I feel like anything that I dedicate three hours to on an evening the least I can come out of it is say it was interesting but that can that can mean anything I’ve always told you interesting is my code word like you can say that can be positive negative it can be interpreted however you want like if you way came over tomorrow and you had dyed your hair green and half of it was orange I would tell you that looks really interesting I would certainly classify something like that as interesting I think though the certain things are simply not interesting in that I have zero interest coming out of experiencing that thing and I feel like this edition of raw was one of those things well that’s probably not the description they wanted you to have coming out of that main angle but we will get there but I think that today all of the focus was on last night and primarily the final 20 minutes of that dreadful pay-per-view and I would say that like 98% of the responses were generally all in agreement like it’s not too often you get such a one-sided reaction because of course you’re always gonna have the contrarians but this was less so this was a pretty adamant this was just a terrible terrible match and made for a terrible show overall well who are the 2% cuz I saw like this was a case where I could confidently say I think a hundred percent of the responses were denied well when I say two percent I’m talking about the people who would come out and say you know there’s been worse stuff or it’s it’s not even so much a defense of it it’s more just trying to lessen people’s dismissiveness of of Sunday but I don’t know I to me it’s like I feel that there is this overall attitude that somehow because you’re a fan you’re not allowed to complain or somehow you’re a bad person because you complain anybody that is listening to this anybody that is a fan especially someone that has spent money on a product you can absolutely feel free to complain about something and you’re not a toxic individual because you didn’t like a wrestling match you can be an asshole about it but you can also just be hey the sucked it absolutely sucked and I don’t think we have to go into deep analysis about why I think everyone can pretty much watch that match and say yeah sucked yeah I agree you know and I don’t dismiss people who perhaps feel like you know certain certain individuals maybe even us are sometimes too negative I certainly feel like there there are moments where I feel that light that way about somebody else but I also feel like there are moments where I think people are maybe overly complimentary about something that you know but the thing is they’re often I would say most things exist in a great area where you might like something but I might not like something and that’s where you might get a bit of disagreement yesterday though I would say was pretty much unanimous even people who are typically defenders or of you know wrestling or WWE specific wrestling were pretty negative on that match yeah and you know coming out of it what I would I did hear on Monday that there was another idea they had of finishing the match but it ultimately was scrapped in favor of what we got on Sunday and that this was largely this was a Vince McMahon idea and that’s how it was that’s how it was crafted and that’s how we saw it play out but do you know what the other finish was you know something to the effect of like Bray taking some like really big bump and that would cause the match finish but ultimately he would like rise up that’s what I heard from one person oh you mean like being stuffed into a casket and then maybe having the no we would not know we would not see a Marty Jannetty air lifted up into the rafters I had no idea that was Marty Jannetty are you kidding me Wow yeah that’s that’s was the legend is that that was Marty Jannetty Wow in the Providence Civic Center well Rumble 94 everybody rewind away that will be covered on rewind away how appropriate how great it really is because I do believe that we have quite the companion angle to go with Sunday’s Hell in a Cell finish yeah yeah where the Undertaker is stuffed into a casket after the entire heel locker room comes out after a match with Yokozuna a casket match and then he ascends to the heavens first of all appearing on a screen explosions gasps green gasps the works as he he takes a short break before coming back reborn with purple gloves as you look at this you know do you have any thoughts on you know this being Vince McMahon’s idea to end this pay-per-view and actually mention fight foal has also been reporting on this as well you know there’s all senators back to Vince McMahon but does that give you a just a cause like this was a very I just don’t understand how anyone looks like that and Thanksgiving at cause John well how long have we been doing this show I think I just did astounding lost a long time ago a guy who has made his entire living in promoting professional wrestling and like I heard from people in the company who would like yeah it was didn’t think this was gonna work and that’s what happened it’s like anyone who looked at this I think could have predicted what the outcome was gonna be that people were gonna totally shit on this and that is what happened any like there are times we see bad angles bad angles happen this to me was I don’t know it was maybe it’s something that in a week or two we’re not even gonna remember this but I don’t know hours later this was a this is really bad it was very bad and I felt really bad afterwards for the two performers that I don’t care who you had in there there was no one pulling off what they were set out to do with Rollins and Bray Wyatt yeah I’m just picturing Steve Austin like in the Seth Rollins role well think about who you are this is not you Steve well this is not here did you hear any of Chris Jericho with Ariel Helwani last week I did not know he mentioned the fact that you know there’s no assholes in the locker room in aw and that this was when they were talking about CM Punk and Ariel like followed up it’s like are you saying you know something defective like is punk an asshole and Jericho kind of like step back he said no like I’ve been an asshole before Steve Austin has been an asshole it’s like these guys that are in these positions sometimes you do have to be the asshole and I would say that maybe those two guys it’s okay and who knows maybe they were fighting this tooth and nail maybe we don’t know but I think overall that there is a belief that you know you just go out there and you carry what’s been presented to you and I think that you know you talk about an Austin someone that you know he was not gonna go out there and lose a match to Jonathan Coachman because it was stupid and he was right and for as much flack as he’s gotten about the Brock Lesnar thing that was an awful idea to lose unannounced on Raw as well so sometimes you do have to be an asshole in situations where there’s bad stuff thrown at you and ultimately it’s gonna have the biggest effect on you Vince McMahon we’ll move on to another story another character another angle but you are a commodity and you have to be kind of have your own agency about you to see how your character which is your lifeblood is utilized in these kinds of angles I think it’s really hard to comment on that without knowing exactly how much input you know the performers had who else besides Vince McCain might have had some input into the angle whose idea it really was you know what all the different components attached to this but you know we’ve seen like so much of like Cain Velasquez recently talking to CM Punk before you know deciding to work with the WWE in that interview with with Mark Raimondi after Fox on Friday you know Punk told Kane as a bit of advice before getting to the WWE according to Kane be a team player and I feel like you know maybe in the past that was you know somebody like Steve Austin wanting to speak out I feel like maybe they’ve bred a culture where something like that is really frowned upon because they have ways of weeding out people that aren’t team players yeah and where is like how much has that mindset changed to when you know you’re a Seth Rollins he’s gonna make incredible money you’re in you’re out it’s you know it is this is this a he’ll I’m going to die on where it’s it’s it’s largely it’s a much different business than it was in Steve Austin’s era we’re drawing it how shows drawing on paper views that was gonna make an enormous difference in in what you were ultimately going to make and today I think guys have a more steadier income and it’s kind of like professional wrestling has somewhat shifted now to where it’s like I’m a character on a television show and I’m just going to you know whatever is presented at me cool and we said we see that with with a lot of guys like we can watch the creative right now I’m sure there are people that are not all that over the moon with what’s presented at them but they go out and they do it yeah so you know John after watching Raw do you have any indication about whether or not Vince McMahon or the company itself how much they recognize that last night was a swing and a Miss or was it just something that they were they will ignore in and proceed with whatever they had originally planned are our plans changed well obviously tonight if you’re just watching tonight’s show it was as minimal a mention of that main event as you could possibly put into that show with a two-minute highlight package that was buried in the third hour now on top of that I noted earlier today that coming off of that show Bray Wyatt and Sasha banks were not medically cleared for tonight so I I’m more so look at the the creative for Sasha that that might have made a change but for Bray like again we don’t know what the timetable is for either of these two what the injuries are what if they’re significant or not Bray you would figure that even if he was not medically cleared you could do something with him on the show it’s not like this guy was gonna be wrestling on TV but they opted to keep Seth Rollins off the show as well so I don’t know if some of that had to do with Bray’s lack of clearance or it was just we had an awful awful presentation the night before and let’s just keep them both off TV tonight but it was very very noticeable that that main event was mentioned the absolute bare minimum without completely ignoring it which going into that third hour you were almost thinking they might do what did you a make of the report from some sites saying that there was a tweet from the WWE about a rematch between Bray and Rollins to take place at Survivor Series that was later on deleted yeah this was tweeted out by the WWE correct yes according to to these reports and then and then removed yeah I didn’t see the tweet but it’s it’s kind of strange that they would be announcing something for Survivor Series this far out and before the draft so I don’t know I didn’t hear any word if like if that was just a mistake or if that was a legitimate plan that they just decided not to tweet out I mean you watch it and I mean that finish did you take the what I’m sure you had many conclusions after that match but was one of them deep down the list that they will come back with this match yeah well yeah I mean it was an inconclusive finish so you would you order that is true yes I mean I don’t know what they were stating afterwards was a a match stoppage instead of a qualification I mean after putting these two in a Hell in a Cell I really don’t know what other stipulation you could add on top of it to ensure that you at this time have a fine and final finish I guess me to me that makes even less sense for last night that okay we’ll give them a real finish at another pay-per-view but we’re not going to do it here yeah tables match anyway yeah so we’ve got the the draft coming up now and I I don’t know do you honestly do you just grin and bear it and just hope that you know all this negativity over this feud it just evaporates over the next week and you just can you do with it or do these two go their separate ways because I would be opting for the latter to be quite honest you know yeah that’s interesting do you continue this feud clearly there’s a bigger story to be told and I think there’s so much unresolved that I think you have to follow through especially like on the part of somebody like Seth Rollins who you know listen he went through a life-changing decision last night he had to reach into he had to attempt murder and I think he asked that you know you had you we all kind of like joke about how ridiculous the story is and how I think poorly acted out it really was by the end but I mean Seth you still have to like follow through with some story he at least has to talk about it and I think ultimately it has to result in some type of firm conclusion between he and Bray Wyatt on screen so I would assume that they would do another match it’s a tough ask I think to get people interested in again without you know having to without reminding everybody about just how bad yesterday was that to me is a real challenge how do you do a rematch without reminding people about the negativity that they fell yesterday they need to come through whatever they promise with both of them in the in the future they need to you know give a real make good to the audience and sure that there’s going to be a finish and ensure that there won’t be stupid red lighting and you know just give the fans they really want to see and that’s probably just a good match and maybe even a total win give the fans what they want to see that is way easier said than done yeah and and to be honest like that decision of where they go next it very well could be tied to whatever the timetable is for braids to be cleared I mean it could like when I heard from someone at the company today it was like they didn’t have a timetable yet so it could be a day-to-day thing it could be longer so I guess they have to figure that out first and then plan accordingly huh okay so I guess we can at this point do you want to join a chat about the shows this week or do you want to just continue with with news let’s get into a bit of the schedule and then we’ll proceed with some news well we’re gonna be back on Tuesday as we mentioned it is the return of rewind away Tuesday night and we’re chatting the Royal Rumble 1994 which way our classic show you have loved relive oh and you haven’t shown you’re gonna find out tomorrow what I award of the 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wrestling comm but now we can move on over to the rest of the news items that are going on and we talked about the issues coming out with with Bray Wyatt and Sasha banks so there isn’t a whole lot to add there we didn’t get to talk really about the the Smackdown numbers from this past weekend and we did get the overnight numbers on Saturday and I believe the final number should be out on Tuesday but looking pretty good for Fox they did three million nine hundred and twenty thousand viewers on Fox from 8 to 9 p.m. and then three million 818 from 9 till 10 so averaging three million eight hundred and sixty nine thousand viewers that was the overall number was that higher or lower than what you expected way for the the big push that they had on Friday I think by the end we had we had both guests maybe some more upwards of fourth four million but I mean this is an in that range so I would say perhaps but you know these network numbers I think to me are kind of new so I don’t really have a great barometer how would this you know obviously they they seem to consider this as a success but you know what do we know in terms of different graphics what do we know in terms of maybe how it compares to previous shows on in this time slot in its competition well among adults 18 to 49 and adults 25 to 54 they won the night so that was very strong for them they did a one point four in the first hour a one point three in the second among 18-49 with an eighth share and then did a one point six among adults 25 to 54 so those are very very solid numbers for Fox and winning the night in those demographics so the the overnights they monitor the the top metered markets and doesn’t include the west coast where it airs on delay as well so the final number may be a little bit above that but this is a pretty close to accurate number but that’s kind of the the difference in the tabulation for Network numbers but you know I guess I guess the big question is now that we know what they’re doing on that first night what do you predict for weeks 2 3 and so on I think that this week I’m expecting a decline this week I think the rock made a big difference on this one as well as just so much promotion for that that first launch but I the draft point will be good for them though I think it will be good for them and I’m interested to see how much Fox pushes the draft this week my guess would be pretty significantly given their commitment here and what they showed going into the first week I I’m thinking they’re gonna do around 3.4 million around that I do think there will be a better bid bit of a drop from week one yeah I think the rock obviously makes a big difference though I I mean I I would probably venture my guess maybe somewhere in between your guess and what they did this week yeah Fox also sent out a press release that made its way to my inbox so Fox tracking us down way so they combined the numbers for Fox for Fox Deportes and from their streaming service and they said that the peak was the first 15 minutes which was the rock Becky Baron Corbin segment that had just over 4.2 million viewers so that was that was the high point of the show and they listed the overall audience at three million nine hundred and ninety nine thousand viewers but again that’s incorporating you know two channels and screaming figures as well okay so I guess IV await the real the real number Tuesday why did they come out Tuesday it just takes longer with the the network numbers are especially for up front from the weekend to tabulate I mean that’s just always same with like the UFC you’re not the way Tuesday to get the the final number but you’d always have the overnights to kind of get a decent gauge of where things were the difference is that UFC they typically you know because it was live sports there was the chance of an overrun and it would it would just bleed over and it might interrupt a local newscast with Smackdown actually I was speaking to someone in the in the company who explained to me that one of the the big commercial spots is the three and a half minutes going in to the local news broadcast so Smackdown actually has an under run and the drop-dead time for Smackdown is 9:50 6:30 p.m. so that’s why if you notice when Smackdown air ends it’s at 956 they have to be out with three and a half minutes to go because of that because of that spot break which apparently is a lucrative one leading into you know the affiliates newscast right interesting so you won’t be seeing overruns smack extra important that they hit their cue yes it seems like it’s an important like it was described to me as a drop-dead time 956 39:56 30 so anyway that is a all your ratings math notes some other news to go through here well what else do we have here AE W has announced a number one contender’s match for this Wednesday show between Darby Allen and Jimmy havoc and they’re using their this is like the start of using the records and who each guy has beaten to justify this and the winner will get a title shot against Chris Jericho the following week against against Jericho in Philadelphia okay um so what are is Darby allen and and Jimmy havoc are they the winningest members of the roster well um can that be right well the story is that Darby Allen beat Shema in a dark match last week and then he also he won the Cracker Barrel three-way didn’t he yes did he I don’t I don’t remember I think he did I believe he did I’ll look it up but but what cuz he lost that match Jimmy havoc was in that match so I don’t know that records off my head way but you know someone didn’t someone pointed this out and my memory is not recalling who pointed this out but credit Jimmy had in one universe you may have Jimmy habit one okay so I’m sure I’m sure there’s a I’m sure Darby allen has he has a shame a win you won the dark match yeah and he had to draw with Cody yeah I’ll let them explain it anyway sure not in there but what someone pointed out and and I kind of like this idea is Darby Allen beating Jimmy havoc gets the title shot against Chris Jericho and then Jericho beats the guy the Cody could not beat going into the title match because Cody and Darby had the draw right okay that’s fine sir I’m just I’m just saying it’s a story yeah they could do but the case the cut Darby off doesn’t it but I guess you you’re not really gonna headline with Darby Allen right at this point anyway I would kind of prefer the the other way around where maybe it had been Jericho going the draw and then Cody the Challenger is able to beat the guy Jericho couldn’t I think it works a little bit better that way but we’ll see what they do they could also do Jericho and Jimmy havoc either way it’s gonna be a weird match for Jericho the next week and I’m kind of intrigued to see Jericho with with some of these other guys I’m definitely curious I think it’s a great TV match I’m also really curious to see how they will continue to justify these you know records for for number one contender’s matches because essentially what they’re committing to is g1 season that lasts two till eternity and you know g1 math I think is tough enough as it is but imagine trying to book that forever the entire year so at this point with everybody having like on1 records over one and no records it’s probably quite relatively simple but what if somebody gets injured and if you have these plans lined out I’m unrealistic to see how they do it they also announced that the December eleventh episode they’re gonna be going to Texas Garland Texas at the Curtis Culwell Center so they’re continuing to hit different parts of the country now getting away and now going Texas is like the furthest they’ve gone so far cool yeah slowly you’re making their way out list and the big one way it was made official today on Ariel Helwani show of all places Tito Ortiz versus Alberto el patron on pay-per-view on Saturday December 7th 39.99 for this fight that’ll be a combat a America’s card and it’s going to be going that same night there’s a free card on ESPN from the UFC so remember the remember there was a time when when people were complaining to like you know us that MMA and wrestling have nothing in common and that they shouldn’t be covered on the same show well this past week there was quite a bit in the the opposite both ways both directs so they’re also putting so I guess Alberto has when he became champion he had a physical belt that he got and Tito has his own like UFC belt or something so they’re gonna be putting their physical belts on the line but Tito’s old like leg Heavyweight Championship I think so oh my god okay this is how it was explained on on the show and what sort of what’s-what’s Alberto Oh patrones bill the double w e belt oh my god really so the winner will get a control physical control of their awesome belts that’s great yeah did you see the angle they did in the in the ring to set this up uh a couple weeks back no okay between that between maybe what you saw with Jax that compared to like Ken Shamrock this week like what with how did it fare okay of all the MMA crossovers over the past week I’m gonna rank them okay yeah at the bottom I think has been uh Tito and Alberto oh okay no good then I’m gonna go in a sending order then I would go with the the Jake Hager introduction mm-hmm then number two I’d surprise some people Ken Shamrock and moose I think they’ve been cutting some really good promos on TV and I thought it was like the high point of impact on on Friday night where they did the the clips from the press conference which not only featured Ken Shamrock and moose but the story that Ken is training with Stephan Bonnar while moose has enlisted the services of TNA alumni Frank Trigg that’s right yeah trig is back moose is actually he both both guys are shamrock and moose I don’t know how great the match is going to be but the promos have been very good from these two for Bound for Glory and number one is I had the cane Brock mm-hmm I thought I was the best one but look at that that’s that’s for angles that we got over the last week in some form or fashion yeah am i missing out on any am I am i overlooking any feel like there was maybe another one uh I don’t know there’s something somewhere anyway I mean if you don’t count Tyson Ferry I suppose right well yeah we got Tyson Fury to get to as well I’m not even going to ask you if you gonna be watching Tito Ortiz and Alberto all patron I know the answer I have a curiosity absolutely I love okay so fight this is the MMA analysis I want from you okay I don’t always ask you to MMA questions but your breakdown of Israel Otto Sonya’s entrance at Marvel Stadium on Saturday oh the entrance I thought it was really cool it was like a nominal yeah traditional um what is the name the ha ha ha I don’t know if this was a haka dance this was uh it goes like you know where you’re you know doing the screams isn’t that what this was no okay unless you unless you sauce they did do what when they arrived in the city at the airport there was this huge group and they did what like this whole haka dance for Israel OTO Sonya but yeah this walking out was just him and these were what were like childhood friends of his and like if you see this jumping like cartwheel leap that he does and this guy’s about to he’s going in for a five-round fight it was just amazing to watch the sky and then he defeats Robert Whittaker it was awesome that main event was awesome it was fantastic but what uh how would you grade my my Marvel DC tweet brilliant uh ten out of ten absolutely I only did that tweet with you in mind I won’t lie I was I was out during the day and I thought to myself and like I wonder was doing commentary tonight and I was like I bet you it should be John anak and Joe Rogan doesn’t do the international ones and I wonder if it’s Daniel Cormier and then I was like DC at Marvel Stadium and I was ready way I didn’t know if he was doing commentary till I ordered the pay-per-view that night and then when I saw him I was ready I had that tweet I had like the bullets in the chamber and I was ready and I don’t know what it says about Twitter that that was probably my most circulated tweet I have ever sent out where you need to get to an award there’s no award for getting retweets or likes it’s like it’s literally like a video game like that’s what Twitter is and you have a score a life score clearly translates to so important you are if it works in life absolutely yeah but then I I checked in and exchanged all my cred on the show and I I thought that what’s his nuts Deadpool was a DC franchise oh yeah guess what I was alerted afterwards that it’s Marvel that there’s no excuse for that one John it’s too confusing I think Marvel I think of if if they weren’t in endgame then they aren’t Marvel I have a lot to explain to you yeah have you you are going to see the Joker on tomorrow correct more I’m very excited a lot of controversy about this movie I know I know I’m actually gonna try and see it so that we can talk about it but if not you can spoil me on on Wednesday no okay we’ll see we’ll see we’ll see yeah I started listen to a podcast today about it and it was going it was like going into all these details about this movie and I was like I don’t know you had it spoiled for you already it wasn’t so much spoil like I knew what I was listening to this is on me but I decided like it’s like a they’re just going through the entire movie here so if I’m gonna watch this tomorrow I might as well just turn this off and I did and you know what I checked outside and the earth did not explode my life didn’t end it was okay I might see a movie where I know things that happened in it and I think I’m okay with that but I’m kind of intrigued to see it yeah yeah do you think this is a real controversy or do you think this is just people creating a controversy I mean I want to let you know um I haven’t seen it myself I’m not up on what well I know the the bare facts about this movie being discussed but anyway maybe we can talk about that later so anyway that was everyone’s weekend I hope you all had a wonderful weekend and I hope you spent it with with uh with us God knows we did enough shows over the last week I think you and I have done a show every day since Wednesday and I think that that’s going to be our life from now on well we’re doing we’ve got the rumble review tomorrow gotcha Wednesday guys show Thursday we got show Friday yeah Saturday thank God we’re going get Thanksgiving off way well you’re gonna be doing a show with WH so you’ll be there sure yes Saturday I guess you’ll be there on Sunday because you’ll be doing it so they are interview with Dave lagana and then John will make up for the weekend because it will be talking to each other twice on Monday next Monday oh my god that’s right we’re doing two shows next Monday we’re gonna have a king of Pro Wrestling review during the day and then we got Raw the draft is next Monday so it’s actually a big draw yes yes what have we signed up for this is crazy all right let’s get into raw are you ready anything else I need any sense all right we started off the show from Bakersfield California at the rabo Bank Arena and the Bank Arena or a bo ba NK Rabobank elbow Bank robbed a bank yeah that’s what it sounds like it sounds like they’re encouraging me to go rob a bank okay they recap the lana and bobby lashley angle from last week and I don’t always watch these recaps but when I saw them mixing and clips of total divas and the two exchanging their vows it took a real sick individual to cut this feature I took a real sickenin vigil to come up with this storyline what an immoral company this is this was they’re literally like they’re showing clips of like they’re learning of Lashley and Lauda making out as the two as they have the audio of there were like wedding vows over top of Lashley’s tongue going down Lana’s throat yeah yeah well it’s great heat yeah they immediately cut this was like jarring they go to the the new open skillet skillet open and then boom we just cut to the ring and Randy Orton and King Corbin are stomping down rusev inside of the ring and then Lashley appears on the screen in a bathrobe and it’s revealed that he’s wearing Rousseff’s bathrobe because he’s in Rousseff’s house in rusev’s bedroom and he climbs into the bed as Lana walks into the shot gets into the bed with Lashley and says that everything that they own is now in her name and they no longer have a joint checking account as she proceeds to remove her bra and presumably have sex with bobby lashley presumably maybe they were just you know cuddling or just talking maybe they just decided to talk you also they also mentioned how um lastly said like oh you you probably should have sent all that money to your family back in Bulgaria rather than spending it on Lana okay we have another baby face now who has monetary issues oh sure I mean throw it all in there you know the cuckold thing the money I mean how much more relatable can you make this guy I was waiting for this segment to end with Lashley announcing that he’s going back to his OVW name which was what Blaster Lashley oh you nasty so that’s how this segment ended this is very much god rusev like they cut they cut the rusev in like they tried to like obviously on the script is like all rusev has a puppy-dog face and that’s what you you saw from the actor here trying to like you know if you got mad at him for not running down the ramp last week I don’t know if you’d be too happy about this yeah his it seems like his challenge was trying to cry yes yes or maybe he was like actively you know thinking about his career so this story is pretty much the the WCW Randy Savage Ric Flair Elisabeth angle where Elizabeth while savage and Elizabeth were legitimately divorced and Elizabeth got all of his money and was spending it with Ric Flair because we’ve added now the wrinkle here that rusev is now what out of money uh yeah now that he is yeah I mean he’s now just a poor WWE wrestler on TV oh this man has not only taken his wife he’s taken his life savings as well because all those things are physical possessions of course as were instructed so you know this would seem like you’re admitting to fry on national television and I don’t know why why is that fraud she has it she has the money legal she has she has cut him out of his own joint checking account isn’t that tape doesn’t that require at the very the bare minimum a signature from mr. Rousseff you’re talking about a a reality where somebody could get fired in a ladder match or somebody could like I don’t know be somebody slave by losing a match or custody of a child can be called up for grabs in a wrestling match as well so I don’t know if they really need to follow all those rules maybe the judicial system is just lacking ladders sure a lot of matches yeah I mean next time you get into a you know fender bender ladder match vo all right we’re gonna get Donald Trump and we’re gonna get Nancy Pelosi and you know what Nancy if you can grab the briefcase then you know what the Senate is going to have to rule in favor of you on these if the impeachment goes through sign me up I paid like $9.99 for that there you go yeah man uh this story man I don’t know dude like it’s it’s just are you surprised at all they decided to start with this as well uh no not really not anymore because what else were you gonna start off with on this show like clearly this was one of their big angles outside of the main event Tyson Fury thing what else that they have on this show I think they felt very high on this angle that it was the most talked about thing last week and they started it off immediately then we just and then we just went into the I guess the post coital angle with rusev having to react to this and Orton and Corbin are laughing at him it’s literally like I was watching three 12-year olds in the schoolyard and rusev just starts like steam comes out of his ears and he gets angry and he just murders these two on the floor as the crowd chants for rusev and he delivers much kkuk Ickx to both and then storms off to do what I have no idea maybe to go to his side job between this angle D and they’re off total divas so he’s not even getting that check anymore so oh yeah no it’s this poor guy I feel bad don’t you feel like he’s more relatable now John you know he’s he lost his wife he’s lost his money he’s probably gonna lose his job so you know you probably want to cheer for him after this between this between like the cuckold thing between the shorty G angle like how do we how did we get here in 2019 you’re just out of touch you’re out of touch you don’t understand what makes a baby face these days you don’t got to have these you got to have like humility as you’re defining trait and you have to be beholden to your audience I mean that’s you know that’s what makes to me a great performer is you’ve got to feel man my life is so much better than this guy’s I want to spend money to watch this piece of garbage like we’re talking about a man’s ideas of how to make baby faces here you know by making them so sad physically you know oftentimes like in terms of their their relationships or financially that you just feel bad for them and you want them to fire up I mean god it’s a it’s an attempt but I just I see no other forms of media that are out there that are successful that are employing these very tactics yeah I would just love like this kind of these ideas to have been installed in say I’m not even bad not even thinking about Drake maverick there’s another one no I’m just imagining like this this Vince McMahon in 1984 what would wrestling have become if he was cheese you know what Hulk Andre is going to be with Linda and this will set up WrestleMania because Linda’s got your money and you’ve got to work WrestleMania because the payoff is gonna get you through the spring or else you’re broke and if you beat Andre you get to have sex with your wife and then you’re gonna reveal that Andre is impotent oh my who would be sortied gable in that era Danny Davis sir short short d40 okay Lacey Evans is out by a trash can which contained the remnants of last night’s main event Natalia’s name was written on the trash can and she says that it is time to take out the trash and she is going to do so after she beats Natalya in a last woman standing match so they had a match and they had a long match they fought on the floor Natalya hit her with a snap suplex attacked her in the ribs applied the Sharpshooter but the announcers noted that’s not gonna do anything she’ll still be she still needs to be down for a 10 count so there’s a table brought out by Lacey Evans everyone cheers so then she proceeds to put it back underneath the ring to get boos Natalya has been tossed into the steps and the heat of this match was Natalya pretty much telling Lacey just destroy me throw me into every hard part of this ringside area and I’ll just sell she was thrown into the post into chairs she was seated in a chair and then a kendo stick was put in like she was strapped into a rollercoaster and then shoved over so she was trapped in a seated chair well I thought that was pretty clever actually this was a that should have been the finish this was more clever the women had had some clever kendo stick spots over the last 24 hours between Sasha and Becky with the chair on top of the kendo stick in the cell and then this yeah there was a trash can full of garbage that was thrown at Natalia and then Laci went for a moonsault off the barricade but did not come anywhere close Natalia then got this was the best they go up the ramp and we talked about the new Ross set and people were joking about this being like a skateboard ramp I didn’t pay too much attention to it last week it was like whatever they’ve got their unique design when Natalia got throwing on to this thing and then she just rolls down this this ramp it looked like the most goofiest thing in the world you can never have a wrestler bump on this thing again because you’ll laugh every time it looks so silly what fun as hell I love it looked like a slide it looked like a slide that you would like just want to go down yeah this is not designed to elicit fear that the performer is injured so they should have really had the set with like the sharp taxing you know big spikes yeah there should just hated daggers coming out of it so it’s like you just murder somebody if they’re thrown in here she went down the slide again Natalia then attacked her with her own suplex and then with a table set up off the stage Natalia powerbombed Evans off the stage sending Evans to her death and won the match in 17 minutes and 9 seconds yeah you know I’ll say look if you kind of like condense this match to all the big spots I think they they did a good job of you know delivering I think brutal hits but spread out amongst all the 10 counts in 17 minutes the pace of it as you know is the problem with a lot of Last Man Standing matches actually became kind of unbearable you know it was just like one hit and then they’d restart the camera what made it worse and the announcers called called her out on this was the fact that lacy everytime she attacked Natalya with another kendo stick shot or something else the referee kept restarting the count so yeah there was one word Natalya was like at 8:00 the ground and then he just restarted and it’s like she had never gotten to her feet made no sense made no sense why why Lacey would do that so it’s in terms of believability I mean that kind of took you out but I’ll say for the most part like it’s really it’s a tough ask I think Todd to get people to get into the pace of a match like a Last Man Standing match for 17 minutes for a feud that is completely cold you know a feud that I don’t think people really even had the patience for like a five-minute match for much less a seventeen match with ten counts lined out all all in between so I’d like to finish a lot the powerbomb off the ramp was something I really didn’t expect with these two it looked great Natalya performed it wonderfully but overall I thought it was a really boring pretty repetitive match I I thought for a Lacey Evans match this was a very ambitious ask of her and for that maybe I’m Belle curving it a bit I thought that you know to go out there for 17 minutes it was no it was a large chunk of time for them I think this was a better street fight than it was a last woman standing match yes but of course had it been a street fight god forbid we just we can’t pin someone we can’t we can’t have Lacey Evans be pinned does this on do you think that’s that would be the reason I think this is worse the fact that they can can’t even get back up I don’t know you know what went into that but I think had this been a street fight I think this would have worked a lot better because to me it was the the handcuffing not literally but figuratively of these ten counts that kind of just played with like the flow that just got constantly interrupted here but I mean to me I think Lacey Evans has gained a lot working with Natalya and given that this felt like a absolute blow off um who do you think wins the rematch Natalya again to power is strange that like you would think like this feud was ultimately designed for Lacey and Natalya gets this win here I was not expecting her to win this and she won on consecutive nights in pretty emphatic fashion yeah I mean to me it feels like they they’re you know keeping Lacey in this in the position that she probably should have debuted at maybe in the mid card um as a heel I think she could afford a loss like this and bounce back to be pretty much in the same spot you know you have to wonder maybe if any of the total divas co-promotion might have anything to do with a certain renewed push for Natalya but I feel like you Natalia I need something like she’s often the person losing despite being the babyface and then before they can even like really sell Natalia’s win they are immediately just cutting to promote the rest of the show like there was no you know there was no moment to even let this wind sink in and put any kind of stock into it they just right moving on to the next thing and then they cut the Tyson Fury he’s with his family backstage and would be addressing braun strowman later tonight and then we cut to the room who was in the room our friend alistair black hmm Monday Night Raw a place of competition and a place of tradition and a place of battle battle that I so desperately require because underneath this calm and collective demeanor well you and I we both know that’s not who I am no I am as I am as unforgiving this fire and as cold and permanent as death and all of this will tell you that I am forever restless so come on this WWE showcase and knock on my door and pick a fight with me whoa chills unforgiving us fire and as cold and permanent as death yeah this guy should come out too cold as ice okay yeah somebody somebody back there you know he’s been looking room what the room was double-booked tonight sir maybe they were in there at the same time you know somebody back there has been bookmarking a source calm I’m sure and probably the authors oh you think they’re writing for him well he said I have been bookmarking so I thought if the author’s ya know the street profits they went over Rossum so far stellar show they said it’s so hot it feels like summer here on Raw and they go over the draft and then they started going through a scouting report way up first Apollo crews don’t sleep on him if you don’t believe us wait till you see him later on in the show then they had their wires crossed because they thought they were going to Drake maverick shot a buddy Murphy was up didn’t make a difference he is the best kept secret and apparently his win over Daniel Bryan was the next best kept secret because it does no longer exist they compared Drake maverick to Steve Carell the 40 year old virgin with a 14 year old reference and then they plug Tyson Fury and recap the angle on Fox that movie is 14 years old 2005 I saw that that movie only sick well anyway yeah the street profits um I’m pretty over these two doing this I think they’re getting pretty obnoxious um this one certainly was yeah they’re not they’re not really working for me and I don’t know if after the draft that is they will continue doing this I just want to see them be actual wrestlers I want to have I want them to have something to talk about beyond you know being Heitmann for wrong I still don’t understand this draft now that Monday is over I don’t know how this is working on Friday are we supposed to say that everybody’s up for grabs including the champions they mentioned that that part was there also positioning like the 42 figures are going to be Fox in USA like it’s gonna be the network executives that are in control of these shows rather than some individual which I am beyond fine with yeah wonder who they are and I wonder who’s gonna play them that’ll be really fascinating do they have to actually be approved but I would think that given that you know you’ll we’ve we’ve seen Fox discussed the fact that they are gonna have a very big influence on like a sports presentation on Friday I would imagine it’s gonna be like we’re gonna see like legit Fox personalities it wouldn’t surprise me if they have like real Fox executives in some cameo role or something like that and who would represent USA well I don’t know who’s gonna be on next week maybe Bonnie hammer will show up rah-rah might not be a the same kind of presentation the Fox has maybe Ron’s gonna be a different style draft altogether like we don’t know they have not really outlined so um too much so the Smackdown so you think the the Fox the Smackdown draft will only be for spanked down talent and not Lee I have no idea what I know is someone’s gonna come out on Friday and apparently can draft anyone so why would you why wouldn’t Smackdown just draft all the best people and then are they exclusive are we gonna have Raw and Smackdown picks on Friday I don’t think so so the Smackdown get to make all their picks on Friday and Raw then gets the leftovers I I mean it’s possible that they will just do this the way that they’ve been doing their shake ups where Oh who’s about to come out our next draft d and then you just have like you know um look it up at random um perhaps I don’t know what was the point of the scouting report like that that to me is not a sports presentation where it’s just random people coming over like they’ve made it seem like the executives want the best talent and they’re they’re scouting everybody yeah so probably won’t be that you’ll probably see some figure heads maybe deliberating I mean if it’s they’re going for sports like presentation I would expect Raw and SmackDown pics to be to be done Friday and Monday yeah I I don’t quite understand how it’s gonna work but we do they did say the champions in theory the SmackDown Women’s Champion can be drafted to raw and vice versa yes or they could both be on the same show they also said that yeah Charlie is backstage with Tyson Fury he was not there to provoke braun strowman but braun tried to make a fool of him and maybe he shouldn’t have jumped the barrier but he is not leaving tonight until he gets an apology and if he doesn’t get one braun is going to get these hands mm-hmm yeah what did you think how do you think he did here in a scripted WWE interview uh this was fine I think he’s he’s he’s got a very good delivery this did feel like this was a scripted promo for him but he has enough personality that I thought it was fine and this was very short this portion yeah first celebrity I think he he does better than most Robert Roode and Dolph Ziggler versus the Viking raiders another long match ivar gets slammed on top of Ziggler Lawler says if you ever want to know if there’s life after death just wrestle Dolph Ziggler rude then chop block cyphers knee and Eric lifts Aybar drops him onto Roode and that’s a big part of their offense now it’s just double-team maneuvers with one another dropping the other onto their opponent and rude and Ziggler are on the floor avoiding the Viking raiders and Vic Josif says there’s no timeouts here on Raw because that was a few months ago and the champions then beg off they go to a commercial and apparently do get a timeout Ziegler then distracts and Eric gets run into the barricade takes a jumpin DDT they have the heat on him for a while until Ivar gets the hot tag he runs wild on everybody and then there’s a springboard clothesline as Eric lifts Ziggler up Roode makes the save Roode and Ziggler did this double-team maneuver where Roode went for the spine buster into a zigzag by Ziggler onto Eric that got a big near fall the glorious DDT gets countered and then Ziggler tags in famouser gets turned into the biking experian and the Vikings win in 16 minutes 35 seconds non-title match by the way yes this was how they build two total matches beat the champions and then you get a title match this week I thought the mess was fine but I liked the other match I found it too long for the amount of interest and appeal either of these teams had it feels like they are rushing towards a title program for the Viking raiders without having given them any sort of character development I can’t even recall a promo from these two until later on in the show after they had already secured a tag team title match so to me it’s between that and I think Roode and Ziggler too since they won the belts they’ve just been these generic bodies that are holding on to these props getting beaten up or just doing nothing I still don’t know why these two are together I know nothing of them as personality so you combine these two teams two teams together there’s simply not enough interest to maintain my attention for 16 minutes for me to really want to see either team either win or lose so you know to me this was all just all just felt like filler so that you could produce another three out or so we went back to the room Alistair Black has now lost his shirt Vick Josif and lawless mics are still hot so they’re communicating before they cut it he’s going to head down to the ring and see who wants to pick a fight yeah the sing brothers are in the ring and they’re gonna show them why they should be top draft picks and they challenge Alistair black so that would say that it’s at the the choice of the executives who they get yes yes Alistair black kills the Singh brothers just nails them with strikes does a flying nitta-san ill head kick then to Samir and then a one-arm dragon sleeper to submits Anil in a minute six actually he wrapped his other arm around his back so it was like a dragon sleeper with it with his front arm wrapped around his back okay yeah is Jiu Jitsu tournament I’m sure yeah yeah I mean I’m looks legit’ actually so you know it’s different it’s fine I’m sure it’ll get over with repetition it’s nice that you know he’s expanding his moveset beyond just the black mass so it seems like they’re finally setting him up for a big role after this draft but I feel like I said that exact same sentence after the last shake-up it’s been it’s been a year of nothing for this guy so hopefully if they are serious about him we we start to see it ASAP well his key is when he is one day asked tell us a bit about your personal life just say I don’t have any personal life because that would ruin him nobody has fine they’d find out someplace he’s a Satanist that’s he’s already got a gimmick well I I’m with you I think that after this draft I think this guy is gonna be one of their big pushed whether it be as a babyface or he’ll I think this guy can shift either one but I they have kept the sky in a in a position where they have not harmed him and I think they can pull the trigger on him whenever they want but yes you can proceed with caution with any of these guys yeah yeah they go through the headlines from the past week all the media attention on premiere week including this quote that Vic Joseph gave us NXT changing the landscape of Wednesday nights hmm I was very surprised on this show at coming off that number it was not like there was some concerted effort to hype up NXT this week it was very it was they didn’t I don’t think they even promoted any of the matches unless there was like a commercial I missed but in the body of the show it felt minimal very minimal feels I mean that’s sort of in the case for almost any of these other Network shows like well you know I talked about even like things like Chronicle or 24/7 and very little interaction between those it’s almost like on Raw and SmackDown those items have Vince’s attention everything that he’s not involved with it’s just there you can find it if you want to find it and they’re all so strange like this is like Michelle Wilson talked about the fact that you know between these three programs that we can promote back and forth and you know you do get that with Raw and SmackDown to a degree but you know NXT it’s like I don’t think they’re getting any benefit and you know you have all these pids I was expecting a bigger push for NXT tonight coming off that number last week almost seems like they have an attitude of like you know sink or swim it’s like you know it’s not ARBs or it’s not our direct problem like we were about making sure Raw and SmackDown are are as best as they can be and whatever Paul wants to deal with NXT he can’t like wouldn’t you think about it it was briefly mentioned with these headlines and stuff but I mean that that was a segment you could have very quickly missed that the idea that finn bálor showed up on NXT was you know if you had just tuned in on Raw I don’t think you would have left this show even aware of that because it was mentioned in the briefest of passings yeah I might have been that they might have aired commercials for it in the break as well you know it does feel like it’s sort of in its own universe they recapped the Cain Velasquez angle and then Charlie interviewed Rey Mysterio backstage and he’s wearing a sling and is shaken to his core over the attack on Dominick but in a weird way he has never been more proud because Dominick took the beating like a man his physical scars will heal but the emotional ones will take longer as he has now at home resting and he said Charlie as parents we vow to protect our children and I had to watch this disgusting bully Maul my boy and I let my son and I let my family down and as I was sitting with him at the hospital bed his Godfather walked in Cain Velasquez the man who took Brock’s UFC heavyweight title and the one man who can say that Brock Lesnar fears him and Cain is here to avenge this at back on my family I thought this promo was great from Ray i I do wish that they made an emphasis on the fact that Brock injured Ray and that’s why Ray cannot take this fight to Brock Lesnar I mean isn’t that obvious he had his arm in a sling I felt like not enough with like at the end I just it didn’t really sit well with me the line about Cain is going to avenge my family but it was it listen it’s an epic thing I thought this promo was great from Ray it was really solid and and who knew the godfather of his child Dominick I mean where was where was Cain Velasquez in 2005 during this whole custody battle I don’t know I and I mean hopefully in Arizona hopefully people aren’t watching or reading mark Ramon Dee’s interviews with Cain because I don’t know if they knew each other that much further before maybe they did who knows Godfather of his son yeah you know I thought read did a great job here to me this is the best thing on this show thus far he did create job explaining who Cain was and doing it in you know like a really emotional pissed off way making this a family affair creating you know calling Kane Dominic’s Godfather whether accurate or not I can buy it and I like it it makes this feud that much more personal that much more heated and that much more relatable because you know it’s family and thankfully it’s not a feud about you know somebody sleeping with your life are we officially transitioning and we can now refer to him as Cayenne well if you notice even ray himself when he’s speaking Spanish he calls him the hyeme yeah II know we lit it but in English he still called him Cain yes AO P is in their room they grew up in a in a place where you learn quick to fight for every scrap for your family and they came home with full plates every night no other tag team has the killer instinct they have they were raised this way they have the will to take your food and your money and general rear and your careers away and the will to do violence in WWE they will put their opponents names in the history books so get ready they’re hungry so you’re gonna take me they’re gonna take our food our money our careers probably our wives are rusev it’s just like great foods the only thing I have left anyway yeah you know these are still cool I think they still make these to come across pretty well so tag-teams won’t get split in the draft correct what are you sure because they must many times they’ve said oh I wonder what will happen if these two good if these guys get split up like the OSI might get split up they mentioned today I don’t know if these two are eligible but of course they are what am I saying so you know the luck of the draw I’m sure these two will end up together so by some miraculous chance we’re gonna get the majority of these tag teams sticking together we’re not just gonna break up like half the tag division well listen you can you you know how NBA players might or NBA teams might draft like Oh two players from the same team just cuz or trade for two players from the same team because you know they play well together or like a player might request to play with another player I mean I’m sure you get stuff like that I know I’m belaboring this point but I just think it engages your fan base so much more when they understand how it works because it creates all these scenarios and you can anticipate all these little things it’s like imagine if you didn’t know the rules of the Royal Rumble okay they just told you it’s a battle royal how many people are in it we thought we knew the rules of a Hell in a Cell and I don’t think any of us predict that the the finish that they ended up coming up with so I mean it’s a question of whether or not they even understand the rules for their own systems do they even know who’s going to be drafted maybe maybe Vince McMahon was deciding for some inspiration he went back he watched the King of the Ring from 98 and he heard Jim Raziel the the question that was on everyone’s mind can somebody stop the damn match and Vince decided yes of course we can stop the damn match if we choose created a new rule I wonder if I’d in several goes back to the watch’s old stuff do you believe without any assistance that Vince McMahon can log into the double W E network without anyone reminding him what his password is without anyone telling him what to click through ah you know I I wonder I would assume he’s got it bookmarked and and he’s got cookies enabled and so he wouldn’t have to do it every single time you know probably Stephanie or hunter like sets it up or more maybe these grandkids set it up for him yeah well that’s what I’m asking like without without that they’re all gone on vacation and he’s left on his on his his life depends on pulling up the shy town Rumble and he’s got five minutes to do it does he require additional time I have no idea how good he is with computers so you could be a wizard you know he could you could be making gifs he could be I don’t know torrenting aw shows well we know his Twitter game is just on fire yeah if he is on watch wrestling that would be uh I would love to interview the person that is responsible for typing out Vince’s tweets yeah so far we’ve got a retweet of a press release and then we’ve got oh god he’s been he’s been pretty inactive he he tweeted out the Smackdown commercial last Friday he just tweets out a thing like just plugging whatever raw Smackdown Happy Birthday Stephanie Happy Birthday gerald briscoe you’re almost he’s a busy man clearly he should not be on tour could you imagine him until it’s actually amazing when you look at all the parallels between him and Donald from Twitter is not an area that their lives have intersected in right thank goodness AJ Styles Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson against kalisto Lindsey Dorado and grin metal leak this was a really fun six-man this this blew away almost everything at Hell in a Cell I won’t say everything but God this was a significantly better six-man than the OSI had the night before Dorado hit this splash off of meta leaked shoulders onto coral then the setup the commercial break the lucha house party climbed to the top post and did a triple like three simultaneous moonsault onto the three on the floor there in classic yeah it looked awesome and in classic w/e fashion there’s a breathtaking spot by the lucha house party we return from break Karl Anderson in control of Lindsey Dorado kalisto then hit a handspring in surgury and a hurricanrana to AJ Anderson makes the save taking out with a springboard dropkick from Metta League Salida del Sol from kalisto is countered Pele kick from AJ Knox Dorado down and then hits kalisto with the phenomenal forearm to win in nine minutes 29 seconds this just felt like a really fun match and all six just got to just go out there and just have a really great six-man it was a good little match you know again I would say a match that was sort of lacking in importance no real storyline to build up to it no real purpose for it other than to get the o-cedar heat back but it didn’t stop the lucha I was party for making the most of their air time they were all really impressive really great looking tandem moves create hard tags it’s you know it’s it’s I would say it’s it’s unfortunate that they only had this position but I mean to be honest it’s even a miracle that these three even have jobs because given the way I think man WWE has both people of this size they they would have never made it out of 205 live so they at least have something consistent going on even if it’s a roll like this but I really want to see more of the lucha house party especially as a trio they’re tremendous so and tonight was like the most representation we’ve seen of 205 live talent on Raw in the longest time I mean there we had kalisto Dorado meta leaked and earlier we had the sin brothers I mean when you need people to lose you just dial 205 they killed the Lu Chows party afterwards they hit metal eat with a magic killer and then Dorado took the Styles Clash off of the turnbuckle so just a reaffirmation that the OSI are the push tact Miz TV he comes out Miz recap Smackdown Becky’s out Charlotte’s out Miz goes through all the different covers that Becky is on she’s on the box of gold and crisp cereal that Miz just had to shill Becky noted that cereals great said that Sasha beat her up last night but if Sasha was here she would tell her that you got your ass kicked by the man Miz transition saying Bailey also got her ass kicked last night by Charlotte and both women are at the peak of their careers the draft can change your careers and this is where he notes that either one could change shows and even be on the same show together that they were teasing flair takes exception when Miss says that they are dominant women she says why can’t we just be dominant and Miz just kind of ignores it and Becky brings up their opponents the Kabuki warriors and referenced the other best kept secret in WWE Oscar’s win over Becky at the Royal Rumble and she wants to correct that wrong nine months later I forgot about that everyone did Becky says she made Rick she made Charlotte’s belt famous Charlotte responds I made you famous and good lines like this holds up the title that she’s a 10-time champion and Becky says your reigns may be plentiful but mine are meaningful and they’re all great lines that’s my broad some nurse talked some good promos here between these two and then the Kabuki warriors came out Oscar starts screaming in Japanese which was a Jerry Lawler’s open door to make jokes all I had flashbacks here you know what a wave of nostalgia this property right back to 98 and choppy choppy or PP oh I was just I had my hands above my like eyes I was just like please Jerry don’t don’t don’t I was just waiting for him to just say something offensive but he I guess this was mildly offensive without being file a complaint offensive the crowds chanting what at both of them they both just yell in Japanese and that was their promo spot yes yes so you know maybe all the for all the I think he um talking about like subtitles and why we we don’t employ them in the WWE at least not you know at a time when somebody like osku or Kyra saying or since K Nakamura could have really used them as as they were baby faces they finally let you know Oscar Kyrie say and speak in their native tongues except it was only done to elicit these what chains to elicit a heal reaction all really just to perpetuate I think the idea that if you don’t speak English you’re a villain so if you’re a wrestler who doesn’t speak good nothing was down in it down down there in the performing center or anywhere else in the world the message is that you will never ever ever be a top babyface in Vince McMahon’s WWE and you see the difference you see the difference between an old man’s idea of how to portray you know people who don’t speak English versus a very modern take that you would see in something like NXT or aew where there are plenty of wrestlers I mean Oscar herself not necessarily the greatest set English yet was beloved Tyrese Ann was beloved as a babyface Penta beloved as a babyface in aw doesn’t need to speak a lick of English but for some reason in the WWE they just don’t know how to do it and so they resort to Titus I I think it’s really going to expose this this blind spot on their behalf through Rio on aew and how much he got over last week and how they’re gonna present her in contrast to true to phenomenal performers and and you cannot just put Oscar especially in this box and just say that she’s a great wrestler but she can’t get over it’s like we’ve seen her get over this woman has more personality than half the people on this roster and we’ve seen that come out and we’ve seen how over she’s gotten and I will never buy the idea that you can’t speak English and that somehow that prohibits you from being able to get over because I’ve seen it happen yeah I just I don’t know the heel role for them I guess it’s they’re doing more with them but it just so cute gives them a job because they’d like they clearly had no idea what to do with a mess baby faces so you know give a mist let them speak a foreign language so that they can at least generate some interest in in their minds it’s just amazing well especially Kyrie saying that just say God baby face sorry you’re not giving me anything to work with there’s really sad I really felt for Devi Portman especially you know we got to see Kyrie saints heal character for the first time in the WWE and it’s her with pigtails dropping the pirate gimmick completely yet you know we see like I think a take on like how to make her heal in yo suraíh that I think feels completely fresh and you know um cool so anyway the music still there by the way the best part yeah well just as they’re playing one I’m always wondering what is the other person’s theme sound like and they remind me yeah I forgot about the original and they remind me of that one too so you get like you get like two to three plays each I miss having a radio and having to turn it back and forth yeah crossfading is like state of the art so Becky and Charlotte took on the Kabuki warriors flared delivers chops to Oscar over and over natural selection has hit Charlotte has just made the moonsault to the floor like her flare flop spot like it’s just there like a go-to move well you kind of I mean it’s a new era you know everybody has to do a suicide or something like a moving tilt to the floor to get the commercial Oscar kicked Charlotte in the body as she was coming down with a pescado then Seine hit a high cross and gets caught by Flair and throwing Becky comes in missile dropkick to Oscar and then gets caught with a spinning backfist from saying same then goes after Charlotte’s knee that’s a rollup on Becky for a two-count she kicks out applies to disarm her and as the referee is tending to Charlotte with his back turned Oscar enters and blows the mist into Becky’s face or at least close to her face it seemed like it was kind of more off the face but nonetheless was enough for Kyrie Sain to pin Becky Lynch at 11 minutes and 28 seconds do you think this leads to a match on TV maybe Sain and Becky sir I’ll take it sir that’s great I mean after this like you referenced the Oscar loss I mean you did like out of nowhere here create some opponents for Becky Lynch that I mean she doesn’t need some opponents the Sasha feeds over mm-hmm I’ll take these chili over most so yeah there we go I could see them just wrapping this up though over the next week or two with Becky beating Kyrie on Smackdown or Raw yeah we shall see we don’t know like what what what what is the tie Team Championships situation they get to move both both brands right maybe maybe they can draft Kyrie 2 raw and Oscar 2 Smackdown and their singles tag champions they each have the belt that means perfect Hosanna shows that makes perfect sense do you remember you recall time for some reason like so people were suggesting like Bailey or Sasha going down to NXT after their losses yesterday and I’m reminded of the last time that I saw Bailey and Sasha in NXT when they were the tag team champions vowing to defend those belts in NXT so I completely forgot about the fact that they you know theoretically these titles should have the ability to go to all brands including NXT problem is you like don’t have any like female tag teams down there it’s like you have Vanessa Bourne and alia yeah like I don’t even know like the woman’s tag-teams to have their even like the I guess like Jessamyn Duke and marina Shaffir but like I mean they’re not even like really presented as a tag-team they’re more like the backup for Shayna Baszler for a special occasion like if you want to do a takeover having like Oscar and Kyra saying down there in an NXT for one particular match against you know you name it whoever like a babyface tag team I think that’d be great do they still remember that stipulation know that these titles are allowed to travel I think it was retired when the ikonics won the titles flair tries to fight them off and gets double-teamed when Alexa bliss and Nikki cross ran down and they may as well have just screamed baby faces on the screen just so everyone could know this was Alexis turn she’s now a babyface as they fought off the Kabuki warriors and saved Charlotte and Becky I really feel like she was always a babyface and that we just it was just not very well communicated but yeah this was I guess your confirmation so another title match like I thought they were gonna break up Alexa Nikki so at least we’re gonna get one more match between these four Charlie interviewed Apollo Cruz he says ricochet and me go way back I mean way back yeah we didn’t get a Dragon Gate mention though he says the draft is about opportunity and he’s been grinding and staying motivated this is a showcase and it’s nothing personal against ricochet every draft or shake-up feels like it’s a new opportunity for Apollo Cruz and then he just gets forgotten about I’m not falling it for though through this no not a chance the Viking raiders made a grand discovery they made their way to the projector that lit the Hell in a Cell match last night probably I wonder if it’s the same one of the same lights I wonder hmm they said no one can keep them from their fate and next week they raid and become tag champions before some very uncomfortable heavy breathing oh yeah you know finally a promo from these guys I’m happy to see it uh you know I just uh I don’t know I just don’t know how I’m really supposed to feel like indeed do you sense a lot of people getting behind these two they’re spectacular in the ring but just up until this point very little has been known about what they are who what their personalities are like and anything beyond you know that they’re Vikings way what are you asking that’s it but the thing is like they they put out some really great videos like like the video of like Sarah Logan and in an era railroad getting married where they talk about like their respect for this tradition whatever it like the Viking stuff he’s incredibly mesmerizing and shows you that there’s a great deal of depth to whatever these guys are it’s not just cosplay it’s something they truly believe in I wish there was some some of that type of you know character revelation then we go to Sarah Schreiber who’s with ricochet and he mentions that if he gets drafted to SmackDown this Friday then this could be my last night on Raw and I’m just like wait a minute what if the Viking raiders get drafted on Smackdown and you’ve just announced them for this match next week well hmm well last week this kind of played out didn’t it where like there was an entire pay-per-view like that came right after the draft so but ricochet just said this could be my last night on Raw well he doesn’t have a match coming up he isn’t a total match coming up he says Cruz is one of my best friends and the draft is an opportunity at a fresh start and I’m always ready to prove that superheroes can be real so that’s his thing you know his thing we got the Viking we’ve got the Satanist Ricochet thinks he’s a real-life superhero he just wants to prove that superheroes can be real oh just trying to make their case for they’re gonna like try to like look for radioactive spiders to get bitten by order yeah maybe come December he’ll be promoting Santa Claus what they’ll prove the Santa’s real okay it didn’t catch that sorry leap I’m done I’m done I’m done I have nothing left it’s totally empty there’s a replay of total divas that was gonna write after Raw on Monday night we didn’t talk about this last week’s debut on Tuesday night with Ronda Rousey did 252 thousand viewers that’s the lowest number in the history of total divas nights Wow do you do you peg this on the franchise or do you look at this at the last minute switch to Tuesday nights what is your theory on such a rock bottom number in theory with its biggest star to date being cast on it well I watch the episode today oh by the way it was not very good it was like to me this was a case where I felt like a lot was being fabricated between in particular in this episode Carmela and I Jax who carmella like you know just walks up to now Jack saying something backstage and just nyah out of nowhere just says I think you’re fake and I don’t think you’re very genuine and this sets off the show long story line of Carmela being really upset anyway you I’m guessing Ronda maybe doesn’t mean a whole lot with with that demographic perhaps her involvement on the show was very loosely affiliated at least in the first episode they had cameras at you know with her and Travis Browne but she hasn’t really been integrated into the actual body of the show with the other cast members yet could be the the last-minute change I mean I guess I’m kind of curious about today’s or tomorrow’s rating too but I over all I sense a lack of interest in the series it’s you know I think it’s very alarming that the season premiere did such a bad number I’m granted I think moving it to Tuesday especially with very little notice I think that probably hurts so maybe we should wait to see if there’s a bounce-back this week or a week or two that people find the time slow but nonetheless it was you know it was promoted on Raw last week for Tuesday night it was also a bell olace season for the first time typically they are you know pretty much front and center except you know in the past seasons maybe taking a bit of a backseat but this year they weren’t even advertised as part of the main cast at all so I wonder if that has anything to do with it clearly they are the biggest stars of the series on e to that audience um and you know evidently Rhonda for this first episode not meaning a whole lot Ricochet Apollo Cruz they only got four minutes Jerry Lawler is talking about the unpredictability of the draft and says I remember sitting ringside when my broadcast partner got drafted unceasingly I remember it – yeah good ol my broadcast partner uh yeah yeah there is a springboard clothesline standing shooting star by ricochet Cruz comes back into very standing moonsault and then Cruz gets caught with the recoil and ricochet wins I thought this vessel was awesome like probably one of the better four-minute matches you will see on Raw you know these two obviously with what you don’t agree on this I mean I have nothing bad to say about it it just it left no impression on me it was like just late in the show and it was over before it started so I I didn’t quite get into it to the degree I mean the high-flying I thought was was spectacular here like the smoothness I mean these two you don’t want that if they are truly like best friends I would absolutely buy it I mean obviously they know each other probably have trained together work together for a long time and I thought it showed like the the the smoothness of the movement the acrobatics I thought both of them really complemented the other well it makes me wish that these two could actually maybe have a 10-minute match on a pay-per-view maybe even an actual storyline even I think that’d be there was no time last night to be just throwing out 10-minute matches for no reason I would have taken this extended like I wish this at 17 minutes holy shit so you know I’m grateful at least we got this because I mean Apollo Cruz has I don’t know the last time he even wrestled on TV he’s been criminally underutilized I think if I’m drafting anybody to NXT he would definitely be at the top of my list then we threw two highlights a term I used very loosely to the Hell in a Cell match that Vic says was downright disturbing and we got a package that I’m I was this match was so bad that I was watching this highlight and I was thinking you know what if they had just taped this match before the pay-per-view and aired this video package in its place yes I probably would have been okay with that oh this is like a five-star highlight package yeah what did you think in terms of WWE’s ability to clean up garbage where does this one rank as Vic ends it by saying we still can’t believe what we witness last night which was a very truthful statement it’s hard for me to exactly say because I still like I’m only brought back to the memory of last night so somebody watching this for the very first time without having seen with it what came prior I don’t know what they would think I think you know they would see a big blob of red and not necessarily know what to make of it but that editing team is always fantastic and you you you can always see this was the intent of the match the what you saw in this holodeck äj– was what they wanted you to feel what they wanted you to leave away Sunday night with so you know recap the story – the terrible acting – the booze and the aew or the refund chance from the crowd and it told you the story of Seth Rollins having to dig betray his his morality going good the way of attempted murder in order to try to stop this fiend yet the fiend still lived and to stick his fingers down his mouth afterwards so yeah the package ended and Tyson Fury’s in the back shaking hands as Jerry Lawler struggled to say Stroman final segment Jerry Lawler’s in the ring – hosts and welcomes Tyson Fury and Vic Josif is very excited noting the wild and off-the-cuff antics that Tyson has displayed during his entire career and now he’s got an open mike strowman comes out and there’s a get these hands he says he was messing around on Smackdown until he say saw the way that Fury looked at him like he wanted a piece and he gave him a present with Dolph Ziggler and he wanted security to let fury go and brawn says I will literally eat you for lunch fury comes back and says that he would have knocked bran out and strowman says you would have been on your back and not for some slow 10-count like the last time you fought Deontay Wilder Oh which the two had their there draw last December at the Staples Center coincidentally enough we think so that was the draw yeah they had they had a draw in some and I guess it was disputed yeah there was you know a fair amount the thought while there won but it was officially a draw got it okay and they’re probably gonna have a rematch in February then they just start fighting and it’s the classic scene security gets him involved the place is going pretty nuts at the beginning of this fury breaks free like you like you know all the standard brawl spots that typically get over Fury’s punching away at all the security members so bran destroys his security that’s holding him back so then the locker room has to empty to separate them fury wants to fight they keep being separated until bran leaves with his music playing he’s interviewed by Charlie backstage calls fury a tough son of a bitch but he’s going to get these hands and he doesn’t play that crap with fury coming into his house and then storms back down to the ring and they’re being separated as the show ends mm-hmm yeah I think they always do a pretty good job with these pull-up hearts this one to me though I couldn’t help but feel like it was very clichéd like they were almost running through a program or like a beat for beat parody of like Tyson and Austin it lacked the intensity know what these when these are done super effectively and I would put Austin Tyson very high on that list like that was tremendous this to me it went on too long and there wasn’t a progression in it it was just okay we’re gonna separate then we’re gonna be held back and there was no escalation and it just felt awkward by the end of it yeah and I think by the end of it I think people were generally like they seemed into this for the most part and I think are intrigued to see the match but to me this wasn’t an overwhelming success either I think it’s especially if you’re there live you know just to see like the the visual of like a mass of people trying to hold somebody back and then like that is really easy to get behind no matter who it is I don’t know if it necessarily translates to people watching at home to the point where I think after this you might want to see braun strowman and tyson theory and some type of mock boxing match or pro wrestling match in saudi arabia I really don’t know and I wonder if it’s due to the rough nature of this feud there is no real reason why these two have beef with each other it’s a really stupid reason you know they were making faces and brawn through Dolph Ziggler into him it’s it’s simply not a good enough personal reason and you know with it would like look at look at the difference on that show with Cain Cain here you have a real connection to Brock lasers past it’s believable he beat Brock Lesnar for the belt and this to me instead just felt like you know a rushed attempt at celebrity integration which in the end it doesn’t even matter whether or not people want to see it because they’re gonna get paid to do this match either way also I thought Braun did a good job in the role he was in you know again yeah I think everyone’s gonna compare it to Austin Tyson which was you know it was a tough bar for them to clear here I will say Tyson Fury throwing work punches I mean he was very much not trying to hurt these people and I’m sure they appreciated that I’ll god I wouldn’t trust I wouldn’t trust the heavyweight boxer to throw work punches on live TV when you’re like it could be neroon owes it was anyway it they didn’t announce when the match is taking place I think everyone is of the belief this is happening at crown jewel that’s to me the only thing that makes sense and I would imagine they probably what do you think do they make this announcement on Smackdown do they just make it during the week because they got fun yeah three weeks not Smackdown the next Monday you know but you know it’s probably gonna come pretty soon I can see them just making the announcement on their own like during the week sure why not goes out there I I’m curious to know like especially if you’re you know cuz I’m not much of a boxing fan I only know what Tyson Fury by reputation and by name I mean is this a big deal to you cuz I don’t know if they really did a great job of conveying why I should care about Tyson theory again I think Kane has the past connection with Brock that I think is easier to get behind have they done a good enough job with Tyson I think I think that this match will get a good amount of interest from the boxing media in the US and Canada I don’t see it penetrating into a mainstream story outside of like some select outlets what I’m most curious about is how this how big is this to fans in the UK where Tyson fear is a much bigger star and is this you know double w is fairly popular there as well so those two worlds coming together is that a part of the world that this is gonna resonate that much more than than here in the US or Canada sure absolutely I love to hear from you alright so that was raw you know it kind of all hinged on the final angle and I don’t think it was um it wasn’t a homerun but it also wasn’t a strike out I would say it was maybe a a single and reaching for second base I thought the closing angle did its intended job of you know making making a big commotion out of this match it’s kind of tried and true but you know with Domitian diminishing returns and maybe we’re at the point now where these polar parts are like done so much that they’ve caught a loss their effect on me but nonetheless like it created a big visual so people are at least aware of the program beyond that I thought this was a total lame duck show the draft you know a bunch of matches that really like especially comparing to the to the output that you had last week on Monday Wednesday and Friday like I this this match or this this episode of Raw feels like it’s it was really lacking in importance well you have to wonder how much they were also handicapped if if Bray was not available for whatever they had planned and then opted not to use Seth on this show Roman reigns was at a San Francisco 49ers game so he wasn’t even in Bakersfield on Monday night you know Sasha wasn’t cleared tonight I mean you have to wonder what what cards were they missing from the deck that they got to play on Monday night as well because I agree with you it was a lot like we got some long matches on this show that seemed to just eat up a lot of time and my final thing on the closing angle is my opinion of that will change depending if this gets a lot of coverage on Tuesday then ultimately it worked so that’s that’s a factor as well to see does this really resonate because going back once again to the Austin Tyson I remember the next day being driving home from school and the sports cast came on and they recap the angle from the night before and it was mind-blowing to me in 1998 to hear the radio recapping raw from the night before and Tyson and Austin getting into it it was like wow this was like a really big thing yeah I’m not really expecting that level of coverage I mean no I’m not I’m just saying like if it gets right more than just your typical wrestling news sites yeah wrestling and to a degree like some some boxing sites that obviously will will cover this stuff but if you get some like real focus that then who knows perhaps yeah and this is also an interesting test to see like the Fox machine like really pushing this cane and Tyson Fury involvement of you know the value of Fox like pushing this stuff on all their properties and having their they’re talking head shows discussing these topics and inserting stuff like this into their own sports news cycle it’s gonna be a weird bizarre relationship I feel alright let’s get some feedback in before we wrap things up you can always leave your feedback at forum post wrestling comm and we’re gonna start off with our poll on a scale of 1 to 10 I know Way was not going high on this one but that’s the forum are they gonna give this one a pass or a fail the answer is a fail three point three three yeah let’s see what they thought Adam from the street anybody who missed his show should watch the Ray promo Google heard Dominic’s Godfather actually is and know that their lives will forever be better than those who watched anything else from tonight this sucked I give it away ting inspired lowest life form out of a trillion the amoeba ranking what I should have made that an option in the poll we’re gonna Chris from Melbourne who says this last week of WWE programming has been a godsend as I finally have the motivation to end my network subscription at least until Rumble season at the earliest and put that money towards aew plus I’m writing to say that unlike Jeff in st. Louis from last night telling us all feedback I’ll at least be staking with Team Post and supporting the cafe thank you thank you Chris what the two of you I can remain up-to-date with the storylines and occasional must-see matches while still voting with my wallet about the changes I want to see in the wrestling world and rewarding the people I feel are doing the best work that being aw new Japan and of course post wrestler well then you’re covered thank you Chris AJ from Pennsylvania this was a nothing show opening segment was honestly really hard to watch at least they gave rusev a beatdown to get some heat unlike Mike Kanellis but it still felt extremely awkward who’s this Mike Canales he’s referring to a no idea The Fury stuff was okay but the pull-apart lasted way too long and fury looked awkward trying to pull punches probably the smart move to just gloss over last night’s debacle they will still have to address it eventually though curious to see how Seth’s crowd reaction will be moving forward it’s a great point putting Seth out in front of that live crowd tonight would have not been good yeah so I I do think that was a smart move just you know cut your losses cuz he would have been you would have had to do a backstage interview with him anything and he would have got lit up by that crowd coming off of Sunday yeah so that I mean whatever you know Bray not being cleared might be a blessing in disguise do you think he’s okay because Bray not being cleared to me would not prohibit him like he wouldn’t been doing physicality on the show you would think he could easily have done his funhouse or whatever hey mom you think maybe they just thought it was like hey we we shit the bed with this let’s give it a week and not put them on TV I wonder do you think we see either of them on Friday possible yeah sure we’re gonna know one from Vaughn who says imagine paying hundreds of dollars for floor seats for the show I feel awful for those fans in Bakersfield such a boring show tonight are you guys oh you guys are awesome for watching the whole show no that’s on Darby Ellen versus Jimmy havoc yeah we kind of talked about that earlier on Jalen from Pickering I’m done with these guys until the rumble I find it a bit too distasteful that the instant they turn heel Kyrie and Oscar are allowed to speak their native language but I really enjoyed their mannerisms when they came came out I don’t know about Braun but the crowd was into it so kudos to them rest of the show was genuinely worthless we’re gonna Dez who says tonight’s we’re all reminded me of the day after an embarrassing incident with your significant other lack of eye contact tiptoeing around the elephant in the room are we just not going to talk about what you did last night there has never been a more baffling transformation to me than rusev evil Bulgarian brute with Russian sympathies two hard-working Bulgarian immigrant family man whose evil wife leaves it because he sends all his money back home yeah what happened to Vladimir Putin backing this guy good question I mean do we know that that’s that’s even like Lana’s reason for breaking up with him we still haven’t been given any type of no we haven’t been given the actual cause of the break-up Dez says after some deliberation I have to say I kind of like it it’s the opposite of the Mike Anila story where mike is a dweeb the rusev is supposed to be sympathetic it was a minor thing that they just kind of mentioned so I hope they do some interviews with rusev where he talks about some of his family back home and how he’s he’s changing their lives with the money he’s sending it’s a really cool character trait for rusev that makes him more like to me also a family of immigrants who still send money back home regularly plus it puts the heat online I like how dare she be such a gold digger when there are little Rousseff’s defeat yeah yeah maybe maybe he’s gonna be like uh nacho libre hey what did you think of a deal Madden second week or just the announce team in general two weeks I thought it’s fine I can’t go above fine there’s still to me clearly searching for that chemistry I mean I still feel like a team that was just like you know hastily put together and then I can say I can say good things I can say good things about the individual parts but together yeah it’s just it’s like three really weird ingredients that I’m not really they don’t really have a co e cohesive flow yet I’ll say I don’t feel like anybody on the team at the moment is exceptional and I include Victo Civ there where I feel like his best traits aren’t necessarily you know able to shine in in this setting I think he’s great at calling matches but I mean there aren’t great matches to be called on Raw in deal Matt and I mean yeah thus far he’s only been a very generic voice you know just a third voice to like I don’t really know what he had right now and he’s think he’s only been doing this a short amount of time and now he’s like now he’s like thrust into you know yeah your your show that’s doing you know two-plus million viewers and working with you know a partner that he’s barely been with and Vic Joseph and then a completely different broadcast partner and jerry lawler so yeah i mean it’s really just throwing this guy right into the deep end immediately I think obviously everybody has the potential to be good he could end up being really good but how long is it gonna take you know I wonder meanwhile like every single week it’s going to sort of beat this like I would say rather flat you know announce team that we’re gonna get all right who’s up next let’s go to your turn Brandon from Oshawa what a terrible show I guess cuckolds are over now except if your name is Mike Kanellis I hope the fans keep getting behind rusev and don’t let this garbage ruin his career I was really hoping for some more info about the draft tonight the only takeaway that I got was that they were pushing Fox in USA making the selections for their respective brands do you think we’ll get some kind of representative to make picks or are they just gonna go back to that old random generator that they used to do I kind of like the idea of someone who works for the network overseeing each show I like the idea back in ECW with Cyrus and Palmer cannon on Smackdown you know there’s there’s good and bad to either one I prefer just having people that are making actual picks and there’s a strategy behind them and that kind of tells its own story but I don’t quite understand how you do that on Friday if you’re gonna have presumably you’ve got to have a Smackdown pick and then a raw pick and going back and forth so I think that’s what you’re getting good I think then and if it’s if it’s your own choice like it really makes no sense unless you’re picking V top guys immediately and women well yeah why wouldn’t you get that it’s what they did then what was tonight’s showcase with like Apollo Cruz like what he’s going to also he he would be in someone’s top 30 picks yeah okay sure I think it’s I mean the showcases to make sure that you don’t completely forget about him in the ends up being take 100 but everybody wants to like you don’t be picked up top and who knows maybe he’ll get picked top ten as a way to push him regardless of the answer tonight was the night to and God knows you at the time to really lay all of this out mm-hmm yeah you’ve known the straps coming and I think that tonight should have been a night to set the table for the draft that’s the only thing tonight you had to promote that and the Tyson Fury deal those could have been the major things and instead you’re gonna have a ton of people tuning in Friday and I don’t think they have any idea how this is working and maybe I’m overestimating how much that matters to people oh yeah I think people will watch either way you know just cuz it’s it’s it’s it’s supposed to be an important show the superstar shake-up though we saw the difference from one year to the next though like people tired of that and it was way down this year because they didn’t care about it so I think you did need to establish that this is not going to be that where someone’s gonna walk down to theme music and they’re on a show cuz we’ve seen that concept die we got a MJ from NJ who says I watch Raw only because I needed something not too distracting while I work this evening so the WWE went with the good ol Sayed nothing PR strategy tonight and hope the stank of the cell match goes away one problem with that strategy Seth freaking Rollins is your Universal freaking champion oh and Bray is dead how do they even turn him back without the crowd rallying behind him as an fu to the company they seemed genuinely afraid of that as if that if tonight was any indication will this blow over doubtful with aw now in the fall tell me is this not to WCW mm level bad a marriage scandal angle Geek Squad matches littering the show and then a celebrity ankle the clothes that look so cartoonish I have zero interest in a novelty match you know I really hope just for our own commentary that Seth Rollins is scheduled for some media interview this week mm well I wonder what I’ll wall depending on the media source right okay MJ says one final thing on a business related note is WWE victim of their own success and that they have so much going on to promote that they can’t ever focus on correctly delivering promotion or execution on one thing other sports have made entire seasons exciting by hyping drafts yet WWE is running what it’s supposed to be a hard brand flit draft and they can barely tell you what is happening just feels with more focus and Morla and less distraction they could be better served but I guess good wrestling shows aren’t what pays the bills you know I can understand last week the draft was not the draft could not be you can’t be promoting 10 million things at once but you can’t have you know multiple irons in the fire and tonight what else did they have to promote other than the draft crown jewel was how was crown jewel promoted tonight there was nothing on team flare or team Hogan there were no participants added to those sides there were no new matches added we had the Tyson Fury segment well yeah that was what one segment that’s what I was I was saying you know theory instrument if that was to take place a crown jewel but beyond that you had two hours and 45 minutes sounds just a lot of answers a lot of Rheem answers Lacey and you know or like Natalia had no real kind of future purpose I mean maybe rusev and bobby lashley are gonna have a match God somewhere crown jewel but how can they do that matching crown jewel lawn I can’t go yeah I’m trying to think I don’t know can she go chick is she could go right she I mean we’re gonna have this now every show where it’s you know last time two of the women actually got flowing over there and then it was a call at the end they’re not doing their match so like I’m expecting at some point they’re gonna get to do a match and who knows like we’ve seen now the precedent that Renee can do commentary they’re so right I mean who knows but but we’ve never had beyond Renee like there’s been no on-screen presence from a female hmm okay let’s skip down a few here Tommy from Scotland they followed up one of the most negatively received matches with one of the most boring Roz that I can remember I thought WWE was at their best when they had competition all right okay we go to Diana from Pittsburgh who says hey guys first time here as I just became a patron this afternoon thank you so much Diana for joining us we’re all barely kept my attention tonight and I ended up doing a bunch of different things around the house as if it was on in the background tons of cringy segments and I couldn’t believe they opened the show with that awful Lashley lonna promo I’m sick of bran being thrown in these weird storylines with people outside of WWE and the rest of the show really didn’t do anything for me otherwise the only match worth watching was ricochet versus Cruz and rays promo question I have a hunch that Seth was supposed to open the show and they scrapped it at the last minute as damage control which is why lat Laci and Natalia might have been so long what do you think do you think the glaring absence of Seth made things worse or are they hoping we’ll just forget the dumpster fire of that main event I can’t say for sure what the the thought process was to keep Seth off the show by I think Seth’s starting this show would have not been the way to start the show certainly would him would not have been my call in like they it was really peculiar how they like started the the rusev segment like almost in progress without even any entrances from from any of the participants there it was you know week before we got to all the Lashley stuff like the idea of like we cut from the music and boom there’s like physicality going on I’d like that like just a change of pace to sit out the show and just immediately grab your attention and here we’ve got a beat down going on and I think that you know anytime you can you know change just patterns that were kind of just locked into I was fine with that aspect of how they started the show well it felt like it was a show where they were at the beginning like trying to rush to to cram things into it to make things you know to keep things out in an exciting pace yet the rest of the show felt awfully slow with very long matches without that much interest and then segments that maybe just seemed to drag so III found that somewhat interesting Alexander from Portland asks correct me if I’m wrong but it seemed like all through it tonight the wrestlers were attempting to impress network executives for the draft do you think we’ll get authority figures for on Smackdown during or after the draft or will the network executives run the show I don’t think you’ll have authority figures anymore cuz Shane’s not around so there’s nobody representing Smackdown and I don’t even know who would be Ross like is Stephanie still in charge like what is that they’ve all been phased out at this point that I don’t think you know it’s it’s more more than run its course so in every company so so you so you either get nobody and it’s simply like oh this person represents or this person comes out and you get a raw logo or this person comes out and get a smackdown logo or I find it more interesting are they going to cast two people to play representatives of Fox in USA yeah well we’ve heard the idea bandied about that there could be you know people representing the network’s and certainly you know WWE loves that stuff that it wouldn’t surprise me if you saw like you know an Erin Andrews with or without heels on to come out and and draft Callisto or whoever so III could see like this is a way for double w/e to just showcase their network partners and get you know people that are on other series other talk shows and stuff bring you on and they’re representing Fox and USA so maybe you have Aaron Andrews for Fox and you have crizzley representing USA and then Erin Andrews is interrupted by shorty gable why because he’s so short and she towers over him oh right okay yep Brandon from New Jersey Como is to this MIA Miko’s his I the albino rhino man this episode felt like a bad hangover after drinking too many steam little bruised it was bad man like Joe Jackson bad like Michael Jackson I’d uh gray promo and kabuki theaters healed Japanese promo and understand the Tyson Fury angle because he’s trying to make himself popular on this side of the country otherwise it was a very forgettable I’ll hang up and listen thank you Keri Hilson alright Adam from Australia honestly going through a really tough breakup at the moment and wrestling has been helping distract me it’s been one of the only things to get me through the days and after last night and tonight not sure if I could even be bothered with any wrestling anymore might need to find a new escape pour whenever I was head for I still gave this show one so there was a hope here well one is the lowest number we could give on the pole the poor guy like going through a breakup turning on Raw and seeing that shit like are you talking about it’s like I don’t know Adams personal situation but it can’t be as bad as what rusev is in theory in the fictional world going through so maybe he’s realizing you know what things could be worse everybody send your thoughts that I’m from Australia wrestling will always be there listen Wednesday is just around the corner last week was fucking awesome everybody had a great time so I’m sure you know even like tomorrow you got a e W dark impact is doing some pretty good stuff um NWA NWA is premiering tomorrow so really great stuff those Tuesdays are gonna get pretty nuts in a real quick amount of time yeah Tuesday is the quote-unquote off night that’s gonna have an hour of NWA which I love the fact NWA like they’re not bound by any time restrictions on YouTube and Facebook 60 minutes like that’s more than enough yeah for sure keep people wanting more that’s the that’s the key to success in 2019 but you’re gonna have NWA Tuesday nights for at least the foreseeable future impact and now aw is throwing out what’s gonna probably amount to at least an hour of content if not more with uh with the new a E w dark show that they’re putting out that’s on their YouTube that’s on their YouTube as well Wow so – so Tuesdays are for YouTube and twitch Tuesday’s are for shows that promotions are hoping that they get an offer for so that they can sell this content gotcha okay we got a Josh from Southampton UK I had insomnia tonight so I was really heartened by WWE going out of the way to try to bore me to sleep sadly that opening segment and the thought that a 70 something year old man most likely thought it up was enough to give me nightmares on the plus side at least Oscar and Kyrie got to do with Japanese promo yes yes I guess that’s a plus sir Rob from Mississauga last one here so I’ll be honest since Monday Night Football came on I’ve been changing channels between that and Raw I’m watching baseball playoffs tonight I figured that the opening segment would have Seth Rollins involved in the usual monologue so I turned it on just to see how it was nope we had rusev involved and what is gonna be my what the fuck moment of the year goes on to say I know it sounds kind of cheap to leave feedback for only catching the first segment but it’s gotten to the point of so much stupid stuff on Raw that it makes me go back to when everyone was praising Paul Heyman on board and that he was put on put the show back on in the proper direction well after a few good promising weeks it’s gone to shit once again so not even he can do a thing to make it better in bhaag it boggles my mind with the money USA is paying the awwe now that this is the best that they can come up with wednesday can’t come fast enough for aw you could make a serious argument that the show has been worse since Haman has been on port so whatever that means I don’t know like I don’t think you and I will ever truly know who is responsible for what that we’ve seen but ever since you know they made those changes we’ve seen these cuckold storylines we’ve seen shorty gable we’ve seen like this shit with blonde on rusev so something something definitely changed and it hasn’t been for the better all right that’s gonna bring it into the show everybody we thank you for listening to rewind to raw we’re gonna be back if you’re a member of the post wrestling cafe rewind away number 46 drops on Tuesday night a review of the 1994 Royal Rumble as we talked about the Undertaker exploding we talked about that’s it that’s that that’ll be the primate for the snow and come on there’s also the Owen Hart bret hart match where they took on a very young PCO in jacques rougeau the Quebecers leading up to the WrestleMania match between the two 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